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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:56 pm
by NotRPB
mr1337 wrote:Estes just said that he doesn't think police have the right to stop and ID those openly carrying due to the constitutionality of it. Otherwise, police would be able to stop anyone driving without reasonable suspicion.
mr1337 wrote:Also, I'm willing to trade the Dutton amendment for changing the 30.06 penalty reduction.
Can't win them all, not all at once.
Police just said Opposed , but FOR if Dutton removed
And I want Class A reduced to Class C ... who wouldn't?
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:56 pm
by Rrash
That was the dumbest argument a police chief could have made.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:57 pm
by Aggie_engr
Austin assistant chief just brought up the chaotic event in Waco and how open carry could complicate things. His testimony represents the Austin Police Dept.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:59 pm
by Jasonw560
Aggie_engr wrote:Austin assistant chief just brought up the chaotic event in Waco and how open carry could complicate things. His testimony represents the Austin Police Dept.
Never mind the bikers were wearing biker vests.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:00 pm
by Rrash
baseballguy2001 wrote:The above is exactly what will happen all over the state. The 'if you have nothing to hide' argument is not a solid argument based on fact. Also, the 'I served, have you?' argument is a distraction.
Licensed open carriers will be hassled all over the state by power tripped LEO's who like to do that kind of thing.
It didn't happen to me, (yet) but in my town, LEO's routinely disarm CHL's (For your protection and mine) all the time and refuse to return their weapons, saying -- you can come get it at the station.
An internal affairs investigation was done, and never made public, and nothing has changed. Having the Dutton amendment removed will encourage more of this sort of behavior.
If this happens, I'm sure it will be addressed in 2017. I'm disappointed the Dutton amendment is in jeopardy, but it is what it is.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:00 pm
by Jasonw560
They're making a 30.07 sign, lady.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:00 pm
by mojo84
mr1337 wrote:Estes just said that he doesn't think police have the right to stop and ID those openly carrying due to the constitutionality of it. Otherwise, police would be able to stop anyone driving without reasonable suspicion.
He made the exact same point I've been trying to make. Like him. I am for the passage with the Dutton amendment. However, I am by no means an all or nothing person.
I do believe we all should be able to support our opinions with reason if we are to be taken with any credibility.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:00 pm
by baseballguy2001
Aggie_engr wrote:Austin assistant chief just brought up the chaotic event in Waco and how open carry could complicate things. His testimony represents the Austin Police Dept.
I was wondering how long it would take to invoke the biker shoot-out argument
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:01 pm
by mojo84
She just said open carry at a Texas Rangers Game. GEEZ!!!!
I wonder if Stickland had a buddy fill out a bunch of the no show cards.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:03 pm
by Jasonw560
Saying the same prepared statement. Jeez.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:04 pm
by jmra
I guess all the Moms demand action people are going to read the same statement.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:04 pm
by Jasonw560
She has no idea what this bill is about.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:06 pm
by Aggie_engr
Texas gun sense testifying the usual. Also brought up the Waco shooting and how "Texas already has a gun problem."
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:07 pm
by SewTexas
How many of those bikers do you suppose were illegally carrying?
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:08 pm
by jmra
Aggie_engr wrote:Texas gun sense testifying the usual. Also brought up the Waco shooting and how "Texas already has a gun problem."
The guys claim of knowing a family that was in the restaurant made me LOL. What a bold face lie!