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Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:06 am
by philip964
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nati ... 7147a0cc71
Target temporally closing 179 stores.
3 in Texas. All in Austin.
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 am
by 03Lightningrocks
OMG... that is my daughters favorite store. She will be crushed!

Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:25 am
by philip964
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:38 am
by philip964
https://streamable.com/u2jzoo
Video of police shooting. ( not sure what) at people peacefully standing in their own yards.
Only in Democratically forever controlled Minneapolis.
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:43 pm
by philip964
https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... -asphyxia/
Family ordered autopsy says Floyd died of asphyxia.
I always thought autopsies were pretty definitive. Apparently it is not the case. Apparently it is who is paying the bill.
Union is not happy, procedures were not followed. Trying to get the officer's jobs back.
Apparently Houston led the nation in arrests of protestors, or one of top three. Yet what do you know, we didn't have very much looting, vandalism or violence.
Do we thank the mayor, police chief or is it the rank and file police officers who made it happen.
Thank you!
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:06 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
philip964 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:43 pm
https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... -asphyxia/
Family ordered autopsy says Floyd died of asphyxia.
I always thought autopsies were pretty definitive. Apparently it is not the case. Apparently it is who is paying the bill.
Union is not happy, procedures were not followed. Trying to get the officer's jobs back.
Apparently Houston led the nation in arrests of protestors, or one of top three. Yet what do you know, we didn't have very much looting, vandalism or violence.
Do we thank the mayor, police chief or is it the rank and file police officers who made it happen.
Thank you!
I am a little surprised by that autopsy result. Is asphyxia hard to determine or were Minneapolis officials trying to soften this issue up a little?
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:27 pm
by Grayling813
Foxnews reports says cop and deceased worked together at same nightclub.....
https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-g ... cted-today
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:46 pm
by srothstein
03Lightningrocks wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:06 pm
I am a little surprised by that autopsy result. Is asphyxia hard to determine or were Minneapolis officials trying to soften this issue up a little?
I always thought it was easy, but that is because I am used to handling strangulation caused by pressure on the front of the neck. My question is if you can strangle a person with just pressure on the back of the neck.
This article explains more of it:
https://www.tasanet.com/Knowledge-Cente ... phyxiation
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:41 pm
by philip964
https://news.yahoo.com/minneapolis-poli ... 27914.html
Minneapolis police made 44 people unconscious from neck restraint since 2015 records show.
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:46 am
by Killadocg23
Independent/Private autopsy report says George Floyd died from asphyxiation..... interesting (even though we figured that all along). Was somebody trying to cover for the cops during that first autopsy CNN posted?
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:49 am
by parabelum
Interesting. Coincidence?
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:22 am
by srothstein
Killadocg23 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:46 am
Independent/Private autopsy report says George Floyd died from asphyxiation..... interesting (even though we figured that all along). Was somebody trying to cover for the cops during that first autopsy CNN posted?
Independent autopsy also says there is no evidence in the body of the neck compression because it disappears as soon as the compression is released. So how does he know it killed him?
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:28 am
by Mike S
parabelum wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:49 am
Interesting. Coincidence?
Shallow depth of their reporting. Other article I read quoted owner of that same nightclub as saying they doubted the two ever worked together, as Floyd worked part time on weekdays, & Chauvin moonlighted on some weekends.
It's unfortunate that no media outlets (liberal / conservative / impartial (if impartial media even exists) is willing to paint a coherent picture of the entire events, including:
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:34 am
by parabelum
Mike S wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:28 am
parabelum wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:49 am
Interesting. Coincidence?
Shallow depth of their reporting. Other article I read quoted owner of that same nightclub as saying they doubted the two ever worked together, as Floyd worked part time on weekdays, & Chauvin moonlighted on some weekends.
It's unfortunate that no media outlets (liberal / conservative / impartial (if impartial media even exists) is willing to paint a coherent picture of the entire events, including:
Got it. Yea, that of course makes sense. Some “reports” you read would lead you to believe otherwise, of course.
Re: Man who died from knee to neck was from Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:41 am
by Mike S
srothstein wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:22 am
Killadocg23 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:46 am
Independent/Private autopsy report says George Floyd died from asphyxiation..... interesting (even though we figured that all along). Was somebody trying to cover for the cops during that first autopsy CNN posted?
Independent autopsy also says there is no evidence in the body of the neck compression because it disappears as soon as the compression is released. So how does he know it killed him?
Asphyxiation is also a general term. There's a phenomenon called 'positional asphyxiation', where a person dies of asphyxiation from how their body is positioned, usually with aggravating factors such as underlying health factors (obesity; cardio-respiratory) & drug use (cocaine has been documented as a factor at least since 1996; CNS suppressants; etc). Laying a subject prone is also an aggravating factor, but I'm not sure if side-prone (lateral recumbent position) like Floyd was placed in is a factor.
Risk factors which may increase the chance of death include prolonged (particularly resisted) restraint, obesity, prior cardiac or respiratory problems, and the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine.[5] Other issues in the way the subject is restrained can also increase the risk of death, for example kneeling or otherwise placing weight on the subject and particularly any type of restraint hold around the subject's neck. Research measuring the effect of restraint positions on lung function suggests that restraint which involves bending the restrained person or placing body weight on them has more effect on their breathing than face-down positioning alone.[6]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia
It won't be a popular statement, but since Floyd was complaining of difficulty breathing BEFORE he was placed on the ground; complained of being claustrophobic; was a large man (aggravating factor for positional asphyxia); had cardio disease (aggravating factor for positional asphyxia); had fentanyl & traces of meth in his system (aggravating factor for positional asphyxia); and there's no objective evidence of neck compression (which WOULD HAVE been an aggravating factor, if present), I'm thinking Chauvin will be acquitted/found not guilty in the end.
(I watched the video, & it did impact me. I'm not being cold here, but in an objective look at this taking in all the publicly available info, I just don't see the prosecution being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions were the proximate cause of Floyd's death.)
In the end, I'm not surprised that the "independent autopsy" from Crump's hired examiner used generic but easily conflated language.