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My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2026 8:04 am
by puma guy
Got to the range to sight in a Bear Creek AR in .223 Wylde, 18" Heavy bbl. Put a CMMG Zeroed suppressor on it. I was concerned the suppressor might affect the gas impingement function but it was fine. I have a Sightmark Wraith 4-32X Night Scope on it and with some hiccups got it dead on at 100 yards. The problem wasn't with the scope. but rather the mount. In the middle of zeroing the scope the shots began going all over the place. Checked the clamp screws on the picatinny mount and the had loosened. Got them tightened and all is well. The supptrssor does a good job, though I have no way of measuring the levels. This is for hog hunting so I hope I can get extra shots off, One shot with my .270 and they all disappear.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2026 10:23 am
by der Teufel
Having a suppressor for hog hunting is nice, but the hogs will probably still disappear at the sound of the first shot. I hunt with a 300 Blackout (supersonic, not subsonic) and a home made Forn 1 suppressor. My suppressor is probably not as good as yours, but my rifle/ammo may be a little less noisy. The hogs vamoose at the first shot.

I saw a video years ago in which someone placed a sound pressure meter about five yards to the side of a rifle, and shot with and without a suppressor. Without the suppressor the noise lever was around 170-175 decibels. With the suppressor it went down to about 130-135 dB. Still pretty noisy, actually.

Then they placed the sound pressure meter about five yards away from a dead hog, and shot it from 100 yards away. The sound of the bullet impacting the hog was just as loud as the suppressed rifle. It was about 130-135 dB. The noise of the bullet impact, combined with any action or screaming from the hog that is shot, will certainly cause any other nearby pigs to bolt. The suppressor *MAY* help to confuse the hogs as to exactly where the shot originated, but they'll still run.

But, having a suppressor is nice. Go get 'em!

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2026 6:24 pm
by puma guy
der Teufel wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2026 10:23 am Having a suppressor for hog hunting is nice, but the hogs will probably still disappear at the sound of the first shot. I hunt with a 300 Blackout (supersonic, not subsonic) and a home made Forn 1 suppressor. My suppressor is probably not as good as yours, but my rifle/ammo may be a little less noisy. The hogs vamoose at the first shot.

I saw a video years ago in which someone placed a sound pressure meter about five yards to the side of a rifle, and shot with and without a suppressor. Without the suppressor the noise lever was around 170-175 decibels. With the suppressor it went down to about 130-135 dB. Still pretty noisy, actually.

Then they placed the sound pressure meter about five yards away from a dead hog, and shot it from 100 yards away. The sound of the bullet impacting the hog was just as loud as the suppressed rifle. It was about 130-135 dB. The noise of the bullet impact, combined with any action or screaming from the hog that is shot, will certainly cause any other nearby pigs to bolt. The suppressor *MAY* help to confuse the hogs as to exactly where the shot originated, but they'll still run.

But, having a suppressor is nice. Go get 'em!
Interesting info. Thank you, Back when my hearing was good I could hear the bullet "Whop" from my long right of way shots hitting deer (140 and 170 yard lanes).
I watched some videos of a cop friend of mine with the same scope on his AR with a suppressor. He was able to get extra shots in before the group moved. I don't know what suppressor he was using since I wasn't going to go thru the old process to get one. The night scope will be a great asset though. We have been depending on motion activated green led lights and LED green flashlights on our rifles now, being able to see in the dark is a definite advantage.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2026 6:19 pm
by The Annoyed Man
I’ve bought two so far this year—both from HUXWRX. One is the VENTUM 762, and the other is FLOW 556 TI. The 762 is a regular steel can with a 3D printed removable baffle. The 556 can is all titanium and 3D printed, but it cannot be disassembled. I purchased a SilencerCo ASR hub mount for the 762, which will mount primarily on my SCAR, and went with HUXWRX’s 1/2-28 QD flashhiders for my ARs. The interesting thing about the FLOW suppressors is that they use the gas exiting the can to keep it from twisting off of the flashhider.

I went with that brand, because I’m trying to limit how much gas ends up in my face. Being left-handed, any gas blowing back through the action, exits the ejection port right in front of my face. It’s been a pain in the tookus ever since I first started using suppressors. HUXWRX flow-through designs are slightly more noisy down range than other designs, although about the same from the shooter’s perspective as a regular design, and I don’t have constantly watering eyes. They’re expensive, but it’s worth it to me.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2026 6:46 am
by puma guy
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2026 6:19 pm I’ve bought two so far this year—both from HUXWRX. One is the VENTUM 762, and the other is FLOW 556 TI. The 762 is a regular steel can with a 3D printed removable baffle. The 556 can is all titanium and 3D printed, but it cannot be disassembled. I purchased a SilencerCo ASR hub mount for the 762, which will mount primarily on my SCAR, and went with HUXWRX’s 1/2-28 QD flashhiders for my ARs. The interesting thing about the FLOW suppressors is that they use the gas exiting the can to keep it from twisting off of the flashhider.

I went with that brand, because I’m trying to limit how much gas ends up in my face. Being left-handed, any gas blowing back through the action, exits the ejection port right in front of my face. It’s been a pain in the tookus ever since I first started using suppressors. HUXWRX flow-through designs are slightly more noisy down range than other designs, although about the same from the shooter’s perspective as a regular design, and I don’t have constantly watering eyes. They’re expensive, but it’s worth it to me.
TAM, Did you go through the Form 4 or the process with just a 4473?

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:26 pm
by The Annoyed Man
puma guy wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2026 6:46 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2026 6:19 pm I’ve bought two so far this year—both from HUXWRX. One is the VENTUM 762, and the other is FLOW 556 TI. The 762 is a regular steel can with a 3D printed removable baffle. The 556 can is all titanium and 3D printed, but it cannot be disassembled. I purchased a SilencerCo ASR hub mount for the 762, which will mount primarily on my SCAR, and went with HUXWRX’s 1/2-28 QD flashhiders for my ARs. The interesting thing about the FLOW suppressors is that they use the gas exiting the can to keep it from twisting off of the flashhider.

I went with that brand, because I’m trying to limit how much gas ends up in my face. Being left-handed, any gas blowing back through the action, exits the ejection port right in front of my face. It’s been a pain in the tookus ever since I first started using suppressors. HUXWRX flow-through designs are slightly more noisy down range than other designs, although about the same from the shooter’s perspective as a regular design, and I don’t have constantly watering eyes. They’re expensive, but it’s worth it to me.
TAM, Did you go through the Form 4 or the process with just a 4473?
Form 4 for both of them. The 5th Circuit decision hadn’t come down yet for the first one, and the vendor hadn’t received guidance yet for the second one. The first one took about 48 hours to process, and the second took about 72 hours. Both were $0.00 for the stamp.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2026 2:54 pm
by Paladin
I am starting to get spoiled with shooting AR's suppressed. Suppressors make shooting high power rifles much more pleasant.

Just make sure your castle nut is staked. I had a homebuild lower partially disassemble/destruct because the castle nut wasn't staked. Lower had been fine without a suppressor, but the extra back pressure from a flowthru can was enough to push it over the edge.

Anybody get their hands on an EXO yet? From what I'm seeing it's the next gen of silencers.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 8:41 am
by puma guy
The Annoyed Man wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:26 pm
puma guy wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2026 6:46 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2026 6:19 pm I’ve bought two so far this year—both from HUXWRX. One is the VENTUM 762, and the other is FLOW 556 TI. The 762 is a regular steel can with a 3D printed removable baffle. The 556 can is all titanium and 3D printed, but it cannot be disassembled. I purchased a SilencerCo ASR hub mount for the 762, which will mount primarily on my SCAR, and went with HUXWRX’s 1/2-28 QD flashhiders for my ARs. The interesting thing about the FLOW suppressors is that they use the gas exiting the can to keep it from twisting off of the flashhider.

I went with that brand, because I’m trying to limit how much gas ends up in my face. Being left-handed, any gas blowing back through the action, exits the ejection port right in front of my face. It’s been a pain in the tookus ever since I first started using suppressors. HUXWRX flow-through designs are slightly more noisy down range than other designs, although about the same from the shooter’s perspective as a regular design, and I don’t have constantly watering eyes. They’re expensive, but it’s worth it to me.
TAM, Did you go through the Form 4 or the process with just a 4473?
Form 4 for both of them. The 5th Circuit decision hadn’t come down yet for the first one, and the vendor hadn’t received guidance yet for the second one. The first one took about 48 hours to process, and the second took about 72 hours. Both were $0.00 for the stamp.
There are still dealers and vendors on the fence on the issue, though the recent announcement that sales using 4473 transfers like mine was will not be challenged. It's disappointing that it was also announced the decision will not be implemented nationwide which is just the AT's ego flexing it's mucsle. We'll see if October 5 brings a standard appeal. BTW I enjoy reading your FB answers.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 1:18 pm
by srothstein
puma guy wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2026 8:41 amIt's disappointing that it was also announced the decision will not be implemented nationwide which is just the AT's ego flexing it's mucsle. We'll see if October 5 brings a standard appeal.
I took that announcement as their way of saying they will not be filing an appeal. Right now, the ruling has a very limited effect on sales of silencers and SBRs. If they appeal, it would either be struck down or made to apply wider. If they really are 2A supporters (which I do not truly believe), they would not want to see the ruling struck down. Instead they would be using it and research how to make it a policy for the ATF (as in we cannot work with two standards, depending on the customer). If they are not our friends, they would not want to see it made any wider - not even to just the Fifth Circuit. And I do think the Fifth Circuit would keep the ruling and make it applicable to the entire circuit.

So I don't read too much into the decision not to appeal, but I do think their announcement means there will be no appeal.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 1:19 pm
by Grayling813
I've bought two suppressors since April. Both Silencerco, a Sparrow 22 and a Hybrid 46DTM that is multi-caliber. I've bought the end pieces for calibers 5.56, 9mm and .30cal which covers all the calibers I need. Both Form4, zero tax and approval within seven business days.

With the Sparrow 22 on my Springfield bolt .22, using subsonic ammo all you hear is the click of the hammer. With standard ammo it's just a small pop.

So far, I've only shot the other one with my SW FPC 9mm. Pretty quiet, would be able to shoot without hearing protection. Point of impact with the suppressor on was only about two inches low at 25 yards and about 1/10th an inch at 15 yards.

Need to back out and shoot the 46DTM with .223/5.56, .38/.357 and .308.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2026 4:29 pm
by puma guy
srothstein wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2026 1:18 pm
puma guy wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2026 8:41 amIt's disappointing that it was also announced the decision will not be implemented nationwide which is just the AT's ego flexing it's mucsle. We'll see if October 5 brings a standard appeal.
I took that announcement as their way of saying they will not be filing an appeal. Right now, the ruling has a very limited effect on sales of silencers and SBRs. If they appeal, it would either be struck down or made to apply wider. If they really are 2A supporters (which I do not truly believe), they would not want to see the ruling struck down. Instead they would be using it and research how to make it a policy for the ATF (as in we cannot work with two standards, depending on the customer). If they are not our friends, they would not want to see it made any wider - not even to just the Fifth Circuit. And I do think the Fifth Circuit would keep the ruling and make it applicable to the entire circuit.

So I don't read too much into the decision not to appeal, but I do think their announcement means there will be no appeal.
:thumbs2: I tend to agree with what you've said. Appealing would almost certainly end up with them losing at every step and will not see it happen. The ATF is not our friend. They will make some feeble attempt at establishing policy, which will most likely do nothing more than make it more confusing.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2026 10:29 am
by mrvmax
I was hoping that this would result in doing away with all the SOT requirements for FFL’s but I do not think that is the case. From what the head of the ATF stated, this will apply to those named in the lawsuit and nobody else. Even though I am an FFL, I will be buying online from Silencer Shop and having them shipped to the same place puma guy used in Friendswood. Unless the DOJ makes some major changes…..

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2026 10:31 am
by mrvmax
der Teufel wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2026 10:23 am Having a suppressor for hog hunting is nice, but the hogs will probably still disappear at the sound of the first shot. I hunt with a 300 Blackout (supersonic, not subsonic) and a home made Forn 1 suppressor. My suppressor is probably not as good as yours, but my rifle/ammo may be a little less noisy. The hogs vamoose at the first shot.

I saw a video years ago in which someone placed a sound pressure meter about five yards to the side of a rifle, and shot with and without a suppressor. Without the suppressor the noise lever was around 170-175 decibels. With the suppressor it went down to about 130-135 dB. Still pretty noisy, actually.

Then they placed the sound pressure meter about five yards away from a dead hog, and shot it from 100 yards away. The sound of the bullet impacting the hog was just as loud as the suppressed rifle. It was about 130-135 dB. The noise of the bullet impact, combined with any action or screaming from the hog that is shot, will certainly cause any other nearby pigs to bolt. The suppressor *MAY* help to confuse the hogs as to exactly where the shot originated, but they'll still run.

But, having a suppressor is nice. Go get 'em!
I hunted hogs earlier this year with a bolt action in 350 Legend with w Trijicon thermal, suppressed with subsonic ammo. The gun itself is pretty quiet but that big thump when the bullet hits the hog is a bit loud and the squealing of the hog does more to scare them than anything.

Re: My first suppressor - AR15 .223 Wylde

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2026 11:53 am
by puma guy
mrvmax wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2026 10:29 am I was hoping that this would result in doing away with all the SOT requirements for FFL’s but I do not think that is the case. From what the head of the ATF stated, this will apply to those named in the lawsuit and nobody else. Even though I am an FFL, I will be buying online from Silencer Shop and having them shipped to the same place puma guy used in Friendswood. Unless the DOJ makes some major changes…..
I think you're correct in your assessment. We will have an absurd dual track for suppressor sales; more confusion by the ATf which is still run by idiots.
:thumbs2: I think that's your best was going forward.