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Concealed gun issue back in Legislature

TOPEKA - The question of whether Kansas should join most other states in allowing people to carry concealed guns is alive again in the Legislature with some supporters suggesting it will become law whether Gov. Kathleen Sebelius signs it.

The Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee heard Thursday from supporters and opponents of the gun bill, which backers say is nearly identical to one the Democratic governor spiked in 2004. In 1997, then-Gov. Bill Graves, a Republican, vetoed a hidden gun bill.

The arguments were familiar. Supporters said that by joining the 46 states with such laws on the books, citizens would be safer. Opponents said there's no reason to have such a law and it takes power from local governments by superseding their right to regulate concealed weapons.

The committee took no action on the bill, although Chairman Pete Brungardt, R-Salina, said he plans to call for a vote next week.

Rep. L. Candy Ruff, D-Leavenworth, said she hopes the bill can be presented to Sebelius in a form that she will sign, adding, “This is a bill that will become law one way or the other.�

In her veto message, Sebelius said she supported Kansans' right to own firearms but didn't believe a concealed-carry law would make residents safer.

Good luck Kansas. Looks like you'll need it.

dws1117 wrote:[but didn't believe a concealed-carry law would make residents safer.
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Then, she must also believe that serious crimes do not occur in Kansas, and that LEO is Omni-present.

Wake up Dorothy!

During my travels, I have been to Kansas on business. While there, I was approached by more panhandlers than anywhere else, and I lived in Kalifornia for 8.5 years. Twice I had to verbally warn persons to stay away when they agressively approached me asking for money.

If any state needs CCW, Kansas is one of them.

I would love to see Kansas get this. I got a large number of relitives there and when I visit I just feel nekked.


Stacey

I would like them to be reciprocal once they do get it. I helped a buddy move to KC, MO last week, and we had to find a nice route through OK to MO so I could carry (not-optional).

-nick

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/s ... 153657.htm

"Posted on Tue, Mar. 21, 2006

Text of Sebelius veto message on concealed guns bill

Associated Press

TOPEKA, Kan. - The text of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' veto message on a bill allowing Kansans to carry concealed guns:
"I support the Second Amendment and the right of our citizens to keep and bear arms. It's an important part of our heritage and way of life in Kansas, and I've upheld that right as Gov.. All law-abiding Kansans have the right to own a weapon to provide for their protection and the protection of their families.
"Last year, I signed a bill to allow retired law enforcement officers, who have unique experience and special training, to carry concealed weapons. The new law also makes sure Kansas hunters and law-abiding gun owners don't violate the law by mistake when traveling. These changes, strongly supported by the National Rifle Association, were commonsense improvements to Kansas gun laws.
As violent crime rates in Kansas continue to drop below surrounding states with concealed carry laws, I continue to hear from the police chiefs and other law enforcement officials, members of the clergy, health care workers, and employers throughout our state that concealed weapons on the streets make our citizens less safe and secure.
"While every law-abiding Kansan has a right to keep and bear arms, hidden weapons make it harder for law enforcement to do its job, and they make Kansas' workplaces less safe. Legislators know concealed weapons are a safety threat, which is why they ban them in their own workplace - the Capitol. Because of opposition from law enforcement and business leaders, I cannot support allowing hidden weapons into businesses, restaurants, malls and any number of other public places.
Therefore, in order to keep hidden weapons off Kansas streets, pursuant to Article2, Section 14 of the Constitution of the State of Kansas, I veto Senate Bill 418.""

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Pretty sad that she says she supports the right of citizens to bear arms and vetos the bill.

Apparently Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is Anti-Gun and Anti-Second Amendment, no matter what she wrote in her veto about them having the right to keep and bear arms. Hopefully the voters will see through her talk and pay more attention to her walk. In her last sentence, she says:
"Therefore, in order to keep hidden weapons off Kansas streets, pursuant to Article 2, Section 14 of the Constitution of the State of Kansas, I veto Senate Bill 418."
What she might have meant to say and actually SHOULD have said is: "to keep "legally licensed" hidden (concealed to you and me) weapons off Kansas streets". The only thing she has done is restrict law abiding citizens from legally carrying a means of self defense. Of course, now that she has made it law, I guess law abiding citizens won't need protection since the criminals won't be carrying a hidden weapon. I don't believe she will stay in office much longer once Kansas' taxes go up, since she must be planning to hire an LEO for each and every citizen's personal protection. I know It's , but when are people going to learn?

Well, don't worry. Kansas is safe from criminals. To make sure, everyone will be fingerprinted at traffic stops.

News link

Pulled over in Kansas? Get ready to show your license, registration — and fingerprints

By BENITA Y. WILLIAMS
The Kansas City Star

If you are stopped by police in Kansas, don’t be surprised if the officer pulls out a little black box and takes your fingerprints.

The gadget allows officers to identify people by fingerprints without hauling them to the police station.

Over the next year the Kansas Bureau of Investigation will test 60 of the devices with law enforcement agencies around the state. State officials said similar tests are being planned for New York, Milwaukee and Hawaii.

“This is definitely new,� said Gary Page, Overland Park Police Department crime lab. “It’s been talked about, but as far as I know they are not in use anywhere in the metro.�

The tests in Kansas are part of a bigger $3.6 million upgrade to the KBI’s statewide fingerprint database, unveiled Tuesday by the KBI and Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline.

■ The system:

Called the Automatic Fingerprint Identification System, it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas. The Missouri Highway Patrol maintains a similar database. Both systems link to the FBI fingerprint database.

■ How it works:

In Kansas, 54 law enforcement agencies have traded the ink-and-paper fingerprinting method for biometric imaging, which electronically scans a digital image of the print. Sixty Missouri agencies use biometric scanning. Police also can scan the fingers of corpses and people they arrest to match them against prints in the system. Results are obtained in seconds instead of hours. The inked cards still used by some smaller departments are also scanned into the statewide systems.

■ Why upgrade?

Kansas could no longer locate replacement parts or anyone to service the old system, which was launched in 1990 and upgraded in 1998. The first phase was funded with a $752,000 homeland security grant. The KBI is applying for similar grants to pay the balance. All upgrades should be completed by January 2007.

■ The portable devices:

Police place a person’s two index fingers on a screen. Wireless technology sends the image to the database for comparison. Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.

■ What else is new:

The system will analyze palm prints, which were stored but could not be read before. The system also will store mug shots and pictures of scars, tattoos and other identifying marks.

And since they are already doing it with great success on pets, livestock, fish, etc., then the next logical step would be a microchip implanted under the skin for even easier identification (and tracking). Hmmm? Wait a minute! Where have I heard or read about that idea before?

Apparently there may be enough votes to override the governor.

"It takes a two-thirds majority to overpower the governor's veto: 84 House members and 27 senators. The House approved the bill 90-33. The Senate passed the bill last month 29-11."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/l ... 156713.htm

Paladin wrote:Apparently there may be enough votes to override the governor.

"It takes a two-thirds majority to overpower the governor's veto: 84 House members and 27 senators. The House approved the bill 90-33. The Senate passed the bill last month 29-11."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/l ... 156713.htm

http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=4672717

It's law now. 47 down, 3 to go.

nitrogen wrote:

Paladin wrote:Apparently there may be enough votes to override the governor.

"It takes a two-thirds majority to overpower the governor's veto: 84 House members and 27 senators. The House approved the bill 90-33. The Senate passed the bill last month 29-11."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/l ... 156713.htm

http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=4672717

It's law now. 47 down, 3 to go.

Good for Kansas!

It's unfortunate that this will be one of the more restrictive states for concealed carry, but they did what they had to do to get it passed. Just like Texas, they can start fine-tuning after a couple of years without rivers of blood in the streets. Dodge City won't turn into Dodge City.

Kevin

I just love it that they overrode the governor! That really sticks it to her about just how out of touch she is.

It will be fun to see how the brady bunch spins this. They can't be happy right now, and that is GOOD.

We've won in almost every state now!!! And we may still get NE this year. WI shouldn't be too far away either.

Cross my fingers that DE and Iowa go shall issue.