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M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:23 am
by Daltex1
Hello all, I have a chance to go shooting out at my friends land and his father is bringing his M-16 that he got to bring back with him from Vietnam, I did not know u could do that but I have heard some stories about soldiers being able to bring back and keep their weapon when they where in the service. I was just wondering how many Vets were able to keep theirs?

Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:56 am
by ScubaSigGuy
I just hope that he registered it before the NFA went into effect. Have fun.
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:58 am
by Daltex1
He has a class 3 license. I cant wait!
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:02 pm
by killerfly128
Man am i jealous.

Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:50 pm
by KaiserB
ScubaSigGuy wrote:I just hope that he registered it before the NFA went into effect. Have fun.
If he has not registered there is some hope with HR 442:
H.R.442
Title: To provide an amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register certain firearms in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rehberg, Denny [MT] (introduced 1/9/2009) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 1/9/2009 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
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Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:24 pm
by CopOnce
Daltex1 wrote:I was just wondering how many Vets were able to keep theirs?

I ETS'd out of Vietnam in May of 1966 and I wouldn't have had a prayer of taking a M16 or any other military weapon issued home with me. They even confiscated 'D' cell batteries from me before I could leave the country.
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:09 pm
by jimlongley
I had a few guys bring back guns through the Navy, but they were most assuredly not issue ones. Souveniers, including AKs and other full auto, made it through, mostly by magic I think, and once aboard ship or at another command, the guns had to be "registered" with the command and surrendered to the armorer. I don't recall the procedure, but there was one.
I was the proud owner of a real AK-47 for a while in the Navy, a sailor rought it back and followed the rules and turned it in, and then when he got out of the Navy a few months later, he was unable to legally take it home, so he sold it to me. It stayed in my armory until I got out, and then I sold it to another sailor. As far as I know it stayed with the ship until it was decomissioned. I have spoken to another Gunner's Mate that was on the ship when I left, and although he knew it was in the armory, he has no idea what happened to it.
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:38 pm
by Daltex1
Well guys I shot the M16 my friends dad brought back from NAM, and I was told by his son beforehand that it was full auto. Much to my disappointment it was not! The thing that really amazed me that it did not have the forward assist on it which made the gun look really slim! I thought that all army personnel where issued fully automatics? Am I mistaken on this? The rifle was a Colt M-16. He proudly said that it did the job(many times to the head of the enemy) and did not have any problems with it after they FINALY sent them some cleaning kits!!!!
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:29 pm
by CopOnce
Daltex1 wrote:Well guys I shot the M16 my friends dad brought back from NAM, and I was told by his son beforehand that it was full auto. Much to my disappointment it was not! The thing that really amazed me that it did not have the forward assist on it which made the gun look really slim! I thought that all army personnel where issued fully automatics? Am I mistaken on this? The rifle was a Colt M-16. He proudly said that it did the job(many times to the head of the enemy) and did not have any problems with it after they FINALY sent them some cleaning kits!!!!
If your friend had a M-16 that wasn't full automatic selection available, it wasn't a M-16.
Here is a little history on the M-16. I was with the 101st Airborne and I was issued the M-16 in 1964. We called it the 'Mattel Toy' for the comparison to the M-14 we had. I left for Vietnam in July of 1965 and we had the M-16 long before I left for Vietnam. Who knew what the military was gearing us up for. Hey, Vietnam, I had never heard of it until I was told to get my unit ready to go. We had to look up on the world globe to see where it was.
By 1963 US Army was purchasing the M16 for use in South East Asia and by various elite forces. The Army also ordered 85,000 rifles in 1963. An additional 35,000 were ordered in 1964, 100,000 in 1965, and 100,000 in 1966. These rifles were initially issued primarily to combat troops in the Dominican Republic and to Special Forces, Airborne, helicopter crews, Air Commando and other special category troops in Vietnam.
The M-16 was type classified standard A in 1965 and became the military's basic service rifle. By 1966 it was in widespread use. The M16 was called the "black rifle" and "Mattel toy" thanks to its appearance. Troops liked the light weight, but complained about insufficient range and lethality. While the M16 had been marketed as virtually "maintenance free, poor maintenance instructions (or even no instructions) and jungle climate together with the fouling-prone direct gas system caused trouble. Its high rates of fire in the jungle environment had a larger impact on increasing American morale than on actually inflicting enemy casualties. The move to high-velocity 5.56 mm was also subsequently adopted by the Israelis, the Soviets, and NATO allies. DARPA's most significant contribution to this program was its willingness to "think outside of the box" and try something new.
The M-16 that I had in Vietnam in’65 – ’66 was a selective semi auto to full automatic weapon. The M-16 was very susceptible to malfunction if it wasn’t kept clean; would not feed to the breach correctly.
One time, the bolt to drive the round into the camber malfunctioned on me in Vietnam when the round didn’t completely engage into the camber and discharged upon the third push with the breach partially open. Long story short, it's not a good feeling when this happens and it will leave a nasty powder burn on you.
Still, no military issued weapons were allowed to leave the country for me nor any one else.
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:23 am
by Daltex1
I read on the lower it read "Colt M-16" Just did not understand.
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:52 am
by Purplehood
It sounds like it is actually a post-Vietnam version. In bootcamp at Parris Island back in 1976 we had M-16s. They had full-auto capability but we were told to "never" hit the selector for that option. So naturally we waited for "Rapid Fire" on the KD-course, and hit full-auto. By the time the RO or coaches caught on, you were back to single-fire and they could never tell who had done the big "no-no".
Any way, every later version that I was ever issued no longer had a full-auto selection. They fired three-round bursts and single-shots.
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:00 am
by jimlongley
Concurrent with the M-16, a civilian semi-auto version was marketed, but it was not marked M-16.
Issue weapons did indeed leave 'Nam in the possession of people on the way back, just not legally, and not in the possession of those they were issued to. The various armorers who received guns from people coming back were under orders to report any weapons received that were issue weapons. Most of the time when guys found out that they would probably be arrested for possession of them, they just got rid of them. What we saw in our armories were AKs, Swedish Ks, and other "souveniers."
Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:48 am
by CopOnce
Daltex1 wrote:I read on the lower it read "Colt M-16" Just did not understand.
Made by Colt
ArmaLite sold its rights to the AR-10 and AR-15 to Colt in 1959. Colt marketed the AR-15 rifle to various military services around the world, including the U.S. Air Force, Army, and Marine Corps. The AR-15 was eventually adopted by the United States military under the designation M16. However, Colt continued to use the AR-15 trademark for its semi-automatic variants (AR-15, AR-15A2) which were marketed to civilian and law-enforcement customers. The original AR-15 was a very lightweight weapon, weighing less than 6 pounds with empty magazine, though later heavy-barrel versions of the civilian AR-15 can weigh upwards of 8.5 lbs.
This exert was taken from the Wikipedia encyclopedia.
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Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:14 pm
by Daltex1
Dang it I should have taken a picture. This thing was very slender and the fore end was really plastic looking nothing like what we see today. It had no forward assist button and the black on the gun was almost silver from age. Thats what really stood out to me. I am not trying to start anything but I gave it a good look-over and was "searching" for the full-suto or 3 shot burst selector switch. I was almost "growing" that switch on that gun, kinda like a doe when your hunting for a buck! I have no reason not to believe this man that he brought it back from NAM. He had to him I high security clearance but did not go much further on that issue. He did happen to say that he got a few head shots with it. I know the gun is old but it was in great shape. I will get pics next time.Maybe I am mistaken but I looked that gun over like a hawk.Maybe I can find a pic on the internet of it but will get a photo of THE GUN soon.

Re: M-16 From Vietnam
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:27 pm
by CopOnce
Daltex1 wrote:Dang it I should have taken a picture. This thing was very slender and the fore end was really plastic looking nothing like what we see today. It had no forward assist button and the black on the gun was almost silver from age. Thats what really stood out to me. I am not trying to start anything but I gave it a good look-over and was "searching" for the full-suto or 3 shot burst selector switch. I was almost "growing" that switch on that gun, kinda like a doe when your hunting for a buck! I have no reason not to believe this man that he brought it back from NAM. He had to him I high security clearance but did not go much further on that issue. He did happen to say that he got a few head shots with it. I know the gun is old but it was in great shape. I will get pics next time.Maybe I am mistaken but I looked that gun over like a hawk.Maybe I can find a pic on the internet of it but will get a photo of THE GUN soon.

Go to this link and pick out the one you're talking about.
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