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Found this eye opening article...we all need to be well armed and
ready to fight since our own government is too blind to see whassup...



A non-profit Christian organization dedicated to protecting the traditions of the American family and defending the nation against radical islam has released a documentary that exposes 35 terrorist training compounds being operated on American soil.

On the evening of February 11, 2009, the Christian Action Network (CAN) held a special showing of Homegrown jihad: The Terrorist Camps Around the U.S. at the Landmark Theater in Washington, DC.

Ryan Mauro, a terrorism analyst for CAN, says the video exposes the terrorist training activities at 35 compounds in the U.S., run by a Pakistani national known as sheik muburak ali gilani. Compounds identified in the documentary are located near communities like Commerce, Georgia; Hancock, New York; and Red House, Virginia.

"You see them setting off explosives, training how to kill guards, highjack cars, all forms of terrorist attacks," Mauro says of the film. "And he actually says on this video if you want training in these tactics [to] contact any of my muslim in America compounds in the United States."

But Mauro says, incredibly, the U.S. government does not have the authority to shut the camps down. "The big problem here is that his group is not listed as a foreign terrorist organization by the State Department," he points out. "So the authorities don't have the legal authority to go and shut these places down."

Mauro adds that CAN wants citizens who see the film to lobby Congress to pass legislation that would allow authorities to at least investigate these domestic terrorist training camps. A trailer for the film can be viewed at CAN's website.

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While this scares the pants off of me, the problem I already forsee is the government using those powers to harass places like Frontsight, gunsight, etc...

.....or any local range...

They ought to harrass people that are training to learn how to conduct terrorist strikes like these muzlim extremists are doing.
That's a far cry from simply exercising your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, such as target practice activities.

As far as these people's right to free speech...it's limited, just like screaming fire in a movie theatre where there isn't
one causing a panic where people trample each other getting out....these folks cannot be allowed to openly teach that
those that aren't muzlim should be killed, which is exactly what they are training to do.

England is now having some of their courts allowing muzlim shirea law...are we gonna do this next?
Judging by how panty waste Americans are these days, it looks like we are!

Rockrz wrote:They ought to harrass people that are training to learn how to conduct terrorist strikes like these muzlim extremists are doing.
That's a far cry from simply exercising your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, such as target practice activities.

As far as these people's right to free speech...it's limited, just like screaming fire in a movie theatre where there isn't
one causing a panic where people trample each other getting out....these folks cannot be allowed to openly teach that
those that aren't muzlim should be killed, which is exactly what they are training to do.

England is now having some of their courts allowing muzlim shirea law...are we gonna do this next?
Judging by how panty waste Americans are these days, it looks like we are!

Oh man I can't believe I'm actually going to defend this.

It's not illegal to learn how to prepare terrorist strikes. if it was, then plenty of books on the subject would be banned; as well as any training for private military-style contractors. Unless you mean it should just be illegal for "scary brown Muslim people" to get said training...

As much as I hate to say this, unless you can prove they are training for a specific strike against americans, or training for a specific strike to hurt people, then you've got no case, and you have to leave them alone.

Everyone has the same right to free speech, including "scary brown muslim people"
That's what this country is built on.

As far as Sharia Law in England, both parties have to agree to be bound by it for it to take effect, so it's nowhere near as scary as it sounds. Having said that, I can imagine some women really don't have a choice. In fact, we do this in America all the time, it's called mediation. If two people want to use mediation based on Sharia law, it's their right to do so.

I don't think the Obama administration will do anything about it no matter how many petitions people sign, but imagine they would rush to give the Waco treatment to any Christian group has a summer camp teaching how to use firearms to stop terrorism.

nitrogen wrote:As much as I hate to say this, unless you can prove they are training for a specific strike against Americans, or training for a specific strike to hurt people, then you've got no case, and you have to leave them alone.

Obviously, you have not studied islam and don't know what they teach.

Are their own words that teach publically to their youth good enough???
How about the publically spoken words of many of their leaders around the world???

They have been speaking exactly what they plan to do and most don't believe
they mean what they say...just like they said they were going to take down
the twin towers, and we didn't believe them.

Now, the US is back asleep again and we are very ripe for another strike.
We deserve exactly what we get due to being ignorant and not being diligent

You should not get your news from the mainstream media, or our government
who keep telling us this is a "peaceful" religion which is total complete bull!

nitrogen wrote:As far as sharia law in England, both parties have to agree to be bound by it for it to take effect

uh, no they are seeking to FORCE those that do not follow this religion to follow sharia law
anytime they deal with muzlims because England is SCARED of muzlims because they do terrorist
attacks and they gather in large crowds and threaten to do violence if their demands aren't met.

It's coming to the US, and defending those that seek to overthrow the US government
is very slow...those that stand in their defense deserve what they get!

How come if I were to publically threaten to hurt or kill someone I would
get arrested for making terroristic threats...and these people don't?

Why would you defend this illegal activity and this double standard?
Smells like fear to me...

jorge wrote:I don't think the Obama administration will do anything about it no matter how many petitions people sign, but imagine they would rush to give the Waco treatment to any Christian group has a summer camp teaching how to use firearms to stop terrorism.

Exactly...there's a double standard, so eventually the US is going to get hit very hard
like with a nuke this time around where millions die!

Serve us right for being so stupid to not listen to what these people are
saying right out in the open and refusing to take their threats seriously.

In effect, 9/11 was our own dumb fault for not properly defending
our own country....and obviously we haven't learnt our lesson as
a nation so it's bound to happen again especially now that we have
a pres that's a panty waste with a wet noodle for a backbone!

Rockrz wrote:

nitrogen wrote:As much as I hate to say this, unless you can prove they are training for a specific strike against Americans, or training for a specific strike to hurt people, then you've got no case, and you have to leave them alone.

Obviously, you have not studied islam and don't know what they teach.

Are their own words that teach publically to their youth good enough???
How about the publically spoken words of many of their leaders around the world???

They have been speaking exactly what they plan to do and most don't believe
they mean what they say...just like they said they were going to take down
the twin towers, and we didn't believe them.

Now, the US is back asleep again and we are very ripe for another strike.
We deserve exactly what we get due to being ignorant and not being diligent

You should not get your news from the mainstream media, or our government
who keep telling us this is a "peaceful" religion which is total complete bull!

nitrogen wrote:As far as sharia law in England, both parties have to agree to be bound by it for it to take effect

uh, no they are seeking to FORCE those that do not follow this religion to follow sharia law
anytime they deal with muzlims because England is SCARED of muzlims because they do terrorist
attacks and they gather in large crowds and threaten to do violence if their demands aren't met.

It's coming to the US, and defending those that seek to overthrow the US government
is very slow...those that stand in their defense deserve what they get!

How come if I were to publically threaten to hurt or kill someone I would
get arrested for making terroristic threats...and these people don't?

Why would you defend this illegal activity and this double standard?
Smells like fear to me...

jorge wrote:I don't think the Obama administration will do anything about it no matter how many petitions people sign, but imagine they would rush to give the Waco treatment to any Christian group has a summer camp teaching how to use firearms to stop terrorism.

Exactly...there's a double standard, so eventually the US is going to get hit very hard
like with a nuke this time around where millions die!

Serve us right for being so stupid to not listen to what these people are
saying right out in the open and refusing to take their threats seriously.

In effect, 9/11 was our own dumb fault for not properly defending
our own country....and obviously we haven't learnt our lesson as
a nation so it's bound to happen again especially now that we have
a pres that's a panty waste with a wet noodle for a backbone!

I have to agree that unless you have some sort of firm evidence supporting the notion that these folks are training to kill Americans (or whomever), then you have to treat them just like any other American militia-group.

This statement confuses me:

Obviously, you have not studied islam and don't know what they teach.

What does that have to do with anything? There is fundamental Islam, radical Islam, moderate Islam and many other types of Islamic interpretation. Just look at Christianity. There are Christians that look at other sects and cannot believe that they call themselves Christian.

Purplehood wrote:What does that have to do with anything?

Not knowing what their religion actually teaches is dropping the ball big time...I'm sure they taught you
in the military to know what violent groups of people are doing, and this is no different...the koran
teaches violence and apparently you don't know that, therefore you are comfortable taking the
mainstream liberal approach to these folks which is why they are able to train for murder right
in the in the United States

Any muzlim that is not actively seeking to force others to convert to their religion
is not a "good" muzlim according to their own religious book and religious teachings
espoused by the majority of the higher ups that run their mosks.

Sure anybody has the right to practice their religion in this country UNTIL
they start teaching violence and destruction of property...that's the boundry
that the majority of people in the US and our own government is blind to.

That's alright, when the US gets hit hard AGAIN, I'll do my best not to say
"I told you so"

Purplehood wrote:There are Christians that look at other sects and cannot believe that they call themselves Christian

Can you show me any news stories where Christians are killing each other???
What about any that show Christians are killing others for refusing to convert to Christianity???

You can't, because there aren't any. Now sure there are groups of people that are Christians
in the world that get attacked and they fight back, which is their right to do.

But, you don't see Christians going on the offensive to start a bunch of un-provoked violence
because the Bible does not direct followers of Christianity or Judaism to go out and
murder people.

But, it does teach that killing others in defence of yourself is quite alright.
The OT commandment says "Thou Shalt not murder" in the original Hebrew,
not a general phrase of "Thous shalt not kill" which is how most people read
it which is in error.

So the primary difference here is Christians will fight and kill if they have
no other choice and are attacked....muzlim will fight and murder you just
because you refuse to convert to islam.



I know they don't want a bunch of talk about religion so I'm un-subscribing
to this thread now...I just got irritated when reading that article and I
realized that Americans learned nothing from 9/11 so we all need to
scrape off those stickers that says "We won't forget" cause that's bull!

The blood that flowed that day is becoming nothing more than dirty
red water in the collective minds of Americans...that is until we
get hit again, and everybody will sit around asking "how could this happen"

The simple answer is by NOT paying attention!!!
Oh well...

I sat in Eastern Afghanistan for 9.5 months, and when I was not outside the wire on a mission, I was reading my behind off about fundamental Islam and the history of the Middle East. Forewarned is forearmed I always say. (I also read Charlie Wilson's War, good read).

In any event, having seen the "good" and the "bad" sides of Islam I would have to disagree with any general characterization of that culture as has been done in this thread. It annoys me to no end how we can make statements about how important our inalienable rights are and how we are the greatest nation in the world, but we always, without exception, make it apply just to those of us who most closely resemble our immediate friends and family.

Speaking for myself only, and not any other member of the military, I refuse to jump to conclusions about Americans on American soil doing what other Americans do. If and when it is proved that they are conducting criminal activities (particularly of a violent-nature) I would be among the first to say, "put the hammer down".

I also believe that if the evidence is there that these folks do intend to commit criminal acts, than we should make ourselves aware of and ready to take necessary action to prevent it.

Purplehood wrote:If and when it is proved that they are conducting criminal activities...

As I mentioned earlier....

WHY is it that if I were to threaten, speak or teach others to kill somebody,
or destroy property...I would be arrested and charged with making terroristic threats

but, these folks can gather in their little training camps and in their
mosks and train how to kill right along with teaching Americans MUST
die...but nothing is done to them.

The simple answer is that Americans have become afraid of muzlims
due to the threat of violence and the liberal viewpoint is that if we
are just nice to them they will quit doing violence which is a LIE

muzlims smell the fear and it is embolding them to continue to
push the boundaries of what they can get away with in this country
and we are operating on a double standard with is enabling these
people to plan for domestic terrorism.

Sure, there are some muzlims that don't believe violence is
the way to go, but these folks are impotent to police their
own religion and are scared into silence. Very few moderates
actually speak out against violent teachings and the ones
that do are usually killed in short order.

I say we deserve what we get for being so stupid!

OK, I forget to un-subscribe last time so I don't see this
thread any more. It's a waste of time talking about this
if folks are just going to sit back and make excuses
for murderers....

The founding fathers of this country are puking
in their graves right about now because America
has become a nation of either cowards or ignorant ramuses!

Anywho...when we get hit again, it'll be getting what
this nation deserves since we don't recognize the threat.

Rockrz wrote:

Purplehood wrote:If and when it is proved that they are conducting criminal activities...

As I mentioned earlier....

WHY is it that if I were to threaten, speak or teach others to kill somebody,
or destroy property...I would be arrested and charged with making terroristic threats{/quote}

Where does it show them threatening?

Rockrz wrote:but, these folks can gather in their little training camps and in their
mosks and train how to kill right along with teaching Americans MUST
die...but nothing is done to them.

You aren't even reading my response above, are you? There are many training camps going on in this country with various Militias doing the exact same thing. How do you personally know which ones are "good" and which ones are "terrorists"?

Rockrz wrote:The simple answer is that Americans have become afraid of muzlims
due to the threat of violence and the liberal viewpoint is that if we
are just nice to them they will quit doing violence which is a LIE

I don't subscribe to the statement above. I am very liberal (for this board) and I certainly don't believe a single one of the points above.

Rockrz wrote:Sure, there are some muzlims that don't believe violence is
the way to go, but these folks are impotent to police their
own religion and are scared into silence. Very few moderates
actually speak out against violent teachings and the ones
that do are usually killed in short order.

Where did you get this interesting information? When I was in-country, I saw a lot of Muslims doing just what you are saying that they don't do...fighting against terrorists. I saw it everyday. They spoke out, they stepped up. They want help doing it, and they don't want promises from someone that is going to leave them in the lurch.

Rockrz wrote:The founding fathers of this country are puking
in their graves right about now because America
has become a nation of either cowards or ignorant ramuses!

I think the founding-fathers believe that the US is made up of a giant-melting pot of different folks, and that we are not just homogenized and pasteurized one-of-a-kind Americans. Well, in reality, I don't know what the founding fathers would think, and neither does anyone else.

Isn't this getting very close to a discussion of religion?

Goat herders scare me.

KC5AV wrote:Isn't this getting very close to a discussion of religion?

It is about Americans, I believe...