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Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:05 pm
by bryang
After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.
Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology....
......Only anti-gun extremists and terrorist recruits are worried about armed pilots. So why is the Obama administration catering to this tiny lobby at the expense of public safety?
Another step in the WRONG direction! These kinds of things are being pushed through behind closed doors and hidden in bills that are not even read. I shudder to think of what is on the horizon...
-geo
The complete story:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... am-that-l/
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:18 pm
by 135boomer
Obama will make Clinton look like he was pro gun.
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:18 pm
by RECIT
That is sad. Truly sad.
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:31 pm
by Mike1951
Or maybe not??????????
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... ogram-end/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Federal Officials Deny Report That Obama Seeks to End Pilot Gun Program
Federal officials are denying a report that the Obama administration is attempting to end a program that allows trained airline pilots to carry guns.
By Joshua Rhett Miller
FOXNews.com
Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Federal officials are denying a report that the Obama administration is seeking to end a program that allows trained airline pilots to carry guns.
In an editorial published Tuesday in The Washington Times, the newspaper wrote that "President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology."
Sterling Payne, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, denied the report and said the program that oversees a reported 12,000 federal flight deck officers (FFDO) is actually expanding.
"It's inaccurate, this program continues to grow," Payne told FOXNews.com of the editorial. "TSA continues to recruit and put new FFDOs on planes, and we continue to train them and do recurring training."
Payne said TSA officials have recently opened a training center for FFDOs in Atlantic City, N.J., with others planned to open in Texas and other states. She declined, citing security concerns, to say how many federal flight deck officers are authorized by the agency, citing security concerns.
"We have thousands of FFDOs right now and we add thousands each year," Payne said.
Representatives from The Washington Times did not return a request for comment. A White House spokesman declined to speak on the matter, saying it was being handled by TSA officials
In a statement issued Tuesday, the Airlines Pilots Association International -- the world's largest airline pilot union, representing nearly 52,250 pilots in the U.S. and Canada -- said the Times editorial "couldn't be further from the truth."
"ALPA representatives met with TSA executives this afternoon and were told in no uncertain terms that TSA embraces the FFDO program, that there are no plans to reduce or restrict its growth, and that in fact the agency fully intends to grow and expand the program," the statement read. "Government representatives acknowledged that the program needs additional funding to achieve these goals, and that they are actively seeking same."
TSA officials are currently training up to 1,500 pilots annually for the program, which was instituted after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to ALPA's statement.
"The size of the FFDO cadre has grown so large that additional resources are needed to provide greater structure and oversight to this important program, which TSA referred to [Tuesday] as 'an important layer of defense.'"
According to TSA's Web site, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks "demonstrated the need for a multi-layered approach to securing commercial airlines -- and in particular the cockpit -- from terrorist and criminal assault."
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:37 pm
by bryang
Well, praise the Lord! thank you Mike that is very good news!!
-geo
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:22 pm
by couzin
Having lived in the DC area for 30+ years - do not believe anything in the Washington Times (except John Lott's editorials). Also, it is owned by Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church - although, his son does own Kahr Arms, so it cannot be all bad...
I would be more concerned about Nancy Pelosi telling the Hispanic community that it is "un-american" to be grabbing up illegals and deporting them...
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:13 pm
by boomerang
couzin wrote:I would be more concerned about Nancy Pelosi telling the Hispanic community that it is "un-american" to be grabbing up illegals and deporting them...
"Recently, Obama also became the first African-American president to order a ham sandwich late at night from the White House kitchen! That's going to get old pretty quick. But as long as the nation is obsessed with historic milestones, is no one going to remark on what a great country it is where a mentally retarded woman can become speaker of the house?" - Ann Coulter
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:00 am
by mr.72
couzin wrote:it is owned by Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church - although, his son does own Kahr Arms, so it cannot be all bad.
The paper is indeed owned by Moon, but it is not owned by the church. Moon is the head of that church.
The pastor of my church owns a house. The house is owned by my pastor. He is the head of the church. The house is not owned by the church.
And BTW, neither is Kahr Arms owned by the Unification Church, nor is the machining company that is the parent of Kahr owned by the Unification Church.
Just clarifying. I know it's OT and please let not this be a thread hijack.
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:44 am
by couzin
Guess I touched a nerve - didn't mean to... My post was tongue in cheek, wasn't meant to make like of the UC. If the UC wants to own stuff and sell it in a good ol capitalist American way, write what ever they want in their own newspaper (and usually do it in a conservative manner), or do whatever - I don't care.
Goto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_World_Communications re the Times ownership.
I didn' say Kahr was owned by the UC - said by his (Moon's) son although it just may be owned by UC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahr_Arms.
I also accept that Wiki writeups are also sometimes wrong so all of it can be dismissed if one desires.
OK?
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:15 pm
by Frost
How about getting them some less ridiculous holsters?

Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:18 pm
by ninemm
Frost wrote:

One of my neighbors had a garage sale and had his storage building open and a padlock like this one hanging on top of the door. He was selling all his lawn equipment as he had started using a lawn service. He only sold his mower and still had several items he had tried to sell plus a wheelbarrow, tiller, shovels, rakes, etc.. Less than a week later the storage building was burgularized and cleaned out. We think what happened was that the thief was probably someone at the garage sale who noted the code on the open lock and used it later. The mistake he made was not rolling the numbers when he removed it. It was his practice to roll the numbers only when he installed it.
If you use this kind of lock and the possibility exists that someone could see it while is is off and you do not want them to know the code, be sure to roll the numbers upon removal.
Re: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:11 pm
by TacShot
The story was originally run by the Washington (Com) Post and later retracted. The Times story is correct. The TSA reported the program is continuing.
P.S. The Washington Times is considered a Conservative paper. It's the Washing Post a far-left newspaper that you do not want to believe.