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The headline below shows one more reason we carry. We can only hope our intelligence services can prevent at home terror attacks but I don't see extremists around the world being placated. The headline below shows what risks tomorrows world holds and we are all better served by being prepared and armed for local events...

Britons training in Pakistan for UK terror attacks
Telegraph.co.uk - Rob Crilly, Duncan Gardham - 15 minutes ago
At least 20 Britons are undergoing terrorist training in Pakistan to launch Mumbai-style shootings and suicide attacks in Britain, intelligence sources have told The Daily Telegraph.

Since the Brits have no guns to speak of, the blood
running in the streets will be profuse in quantity.

Try that terrorism shooting in a large Texas city and there's a much better
chance that a CHL or 2 will engage them.

SIA

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Since the Brits have no guns to speak of, the blood
running in the streets will be profuse in quantity.

Try that terrorism shooting in a large Texas city and there's a much better
chance that a CHL or 2 will engage them.

SIA

If they read the news, they will do it on a college campus or a military base in Texas.

Ameer wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Since the Brits have no guns to speak of, the blood
running in the streets will be profuse in quantity.

Try that terrorism shooting in a large Texas city and there's a much better
chance that a CHL or 2 will engage them.

SIA

If they read the news, they will do it on a college campus or a military base in Texas.

Military base anywhere.

I have growing concerns about such headlines as my job requires me to spend a lot of time away from home in hotels that I don't always get to choose. Given the number of hotels in the U.S., I think the probability of being in a Mumbia style attack might be low for me, yet, what concerns me is finding myself in such attack armed only with a handgun.

So here's a question that I began thinking about in leu of the recent warnings of potential attacks against soft targets including hotels. In the event such an attack happened in the U.S., or the threat of was immenent, how many of you would find yourself traveling with a long gun as well as whatever you normally carry on your daily journey? Overnight hotel stays? Roadtrips, etc.?

how many of you would find yourself traveling with a long gun as well as whatever you normally carry on your daily journey? Overnight hotel stays? Roadtrips, etc.?

Nah....

I'll keep my long gun at home.

Muslim terrorists with long guns don't concern me much as I've seen the way they shoot. High explosives, on the other hand....

I look at it this way. Having a CHL and carrying a handgun doesn't mean that I'm going to stay alive. What it does do it allow me a fighting chance should the crap hit the fan. I'd rather go down fighting then go down with that helpless feeling.

smyrna wrote:I have growing concerns about such headlines as my job requires me to spend a lot of time away from home in hotels that I don't always get to choose. Given the number of hotels in the U.S., I think the probability of being in a Mumbia style attack might be low for me, yet, what concerns me is finding myself in such attack armed only with a handgun.

So here's a question that I began thinking about in leu of the recent warnings of potential attacks against soft targets including hotels. In the event such an attack happened in the U.S., or the threat of was immenent, how many of you would find yourself traveling with a long gun as well as whatever you normally carry on your daily journey? Overnight hotel stays? Roadtrips, etc.?

I also travel alot but instead of air travel I drive now so I can carry without all the hubbub going thru an airport with a pistol. Except to the west coast or east coast or out of the country which is maybe once a year.

I leave the long guns and shotguns at the house for home defense. In the case of a terroist attack I would still be in defensive mode to protect the family.

I had flown to Houston for a convention the day before 911 so after they grounded all the planes I had to hicth a ride with some people I knew that were coming back to Dallas and pick up my car at Love Field.

BTW....My CHL Instructor told us in a terrorist attack like on a mall or school, after they round up all the people they can, the men are killed and the women used as hostages. He is a SWAT Team member and that is the intel they have.

This appears to be escalating today and more than risk assessment. The British PM was actually shocked with some of the information provided.
God help civilians in Western European cities who are prevented from being armed. Perhaps the Brits will get their firearms back before this is over. The enemy within...

Prime Minister David Cameron was reportedly shocked when told of the deadly plot and asked for an urgent security review. Yesterday the UK terror level remained at severe - the second highest state of alert, meaning an attack is highly likely.

Two former SAS commanders yesterday warned British security services were unprepared. Col Richard Williams and Lt Gen Sir Graeme Lamb said such a "paramilitary threat" would "overmatch" any land-based police force and turn London into a war zone. They said an attack on a huge office block could result in up to a thousand office workers being trapped in a building, where they could be "murdered one by one, floor by floor", creating a "9/11 in slow motion".

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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Since the Brits have no guns to speak of, the blood
running in the streets will be profuse in quantity.

SIA

No, no no! Didn't you get the memo? Don't you understand?!? It is only in places where we allow people to have guns that blood flows in the streets profusely.

Right?

That's...what...the...Brady...Campaign...tells...me.

Oh, wait. I'm back now.

It is only with the possession of firearms that these people will have a chance should the unthinkable happen. A 9/11 in slow motion? Unfortunately, I can imagine that, and it is something I hope never happens. Unfortunately, it probably will have to happen for the Brits to get any of their rights back.

I wonder why we haven't heard any warnings about Switzerland yet...

smyrna wrote:...what concerns me is finding myself in such attack armed only with a handgun.

Easy, you take out the first unsuspecting terrorist and then use his AK... haven't you ever played videogames?

dubya wrote:This appears to be escalating today and more than risk assessment. The British PM was actually shocked with some of the information provided.
God help civilians in Western European cities who are prevented from being armed. Perhaps the Brits will get their firearms back before this is over. The enemy within...

Prime Minister David Cameron was reportedly shocked when told of the deadly plot and asked for an urgent security review. Yesterday the UK terror level remained at severe - the second highest state of alert, meaning an attack is highly likely.

Two former SAS commanders yesterday warned British security services were unprepared. Col Richard Williams and Lt Gen Sir Graeme Lamb said such a "paramilitary threat" would "overmatch" any land-based police force and turn London into a war zone. They said an attack on a huge office block could result in up to a thousand office workers being trapped in a building, where they could be "murdered one by one, floor by floor", creating a "9/11 in slow motion".
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... z11QbGEJST" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A lot of good a CHL is going to do you here in the U.S. since most offices are a "gun free zone" so most of us can't carry there anyway and good luck trying to get to your vehicle once the building has been taken over.

Fangs wrote:

smyrna wrote:...what concerns me is finding myself in such attack armed only with a handgun.

Easy, you take out the first unsuspecting terrorist and then use his AK... haven't you ever played videogames?

Or watch Die Hard?

smyrna wrote:I have growing concerns about such headlines as my job requires me to spend a lot of time away from home in hotels that I don't always get to choose. Given the number of hotels in the U.S., I think the probability of being in a Mumbia style attack might be low for me, yet, what concerns me is finding myself in such attack armed only with a handgun.

So here's a question that I began thinking about in leu of the recent warnings of potential attacks against soft targets including hotels. In the event such an attack happened in the U.S., or the threat of was immenent, how many of you would find yourself traveling with a long gun as well as whatever you normally carry on your daily journey? Overnight hotel stays? Roadtrips, etc.?

If a Mumbia (Bombay) style attack happens they will probably pick New York City, Washington D.C. or Chicago since the citizens can't legally carry. In Mumbia they picked the most expensive hotel in the city that was popular with foreigners (read Americans). So if you are going to one of those cities I would avoid the big hotels.

You won't have a long gun and you won't have your short gun either as they are all illegal there,I assume. The only advantage you will have is that everyone staying in the hotel is mostly American. Thus they will not specifically hunt you down, like they do in overseas hotels. "tell us what rooms the Americans are staying in or we will kill you".

So you are probably safe in your room, and if you miss the carnage in the public areas on the first and second floors you may survive, that is if the explosions do not rupture the fire sprinkler lines allowing the building to catch fire. Then the fire stairs most away from the center of the hotel will lead directly outside and you may be able to avoid both the fire and the shooting. Then your only risk will be exiting the building suddenly and being shot by friendly fire.

magillapd wrote:I look at it this way. Having a CHL and carrying a handgun doesn't mean that I'm going to stay alive. What it does do it allow me a fighting chance should the [stuff] hit the fan. I'd rather go down fighting then go down with that helpless feeling.

Exactly. Carrying doesn't gauarantee anything. It just gives you a chance to fight back. Doesn't mean you'll win, or even have time to reach for it. But you've improved your odds by going about armed.

Fangs wrote:

smyrna wrote:...what concerns me is finding myself in such attack armed only with a handgun.

Easy, you take out the first unsuspecting terrorist and then use his AK... haven't you ever played videogames?

I take that reply as sort of half joking, half serious.
Yeah, first order of business is to escape from such a situation. But if you're unable to do that immediately, then using the weapon you have in order to "upgrade" should definitely be on the list of options when evaluating what to do.