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My daughter has relocated to OK. She got stopped for speeding going home one night after dark. She produced the required and gave him her TX CHL. He asked if she was carrying, where it was and what it was. When she told him it was a 380, he began lecturing her and telling her she needed a 9mm or 40. She told him that is what her daddy says too. He let her go with no ticket and she immediately called me to let me know.

Ron

priusron wrote:He let her go with no ticket and she immediately called me to let me know.

She should have received a citation for carrying a .380 in a .45 zone.

Now you know what you should buy her for Christmas!

USA1 wrote:

priusron wrote:He let her go with no ticket and she immediately called me to let me know.

She should have received a citation for carrying a .380 in a .45 zone.

priusron wrote:My daughter has relocated to OK. She got stopped for speeding going home one night after dark. She produced the required and gave him her TX CHL. He asked if she was carrying, where it was and what it was. When she told him it was a 380, he began lecturing her and telling her she needed a 9mm or 40. She told him that is what her daddy says too. He let her go with no ticket and she immediately called me to let me know.

Ron

Well Ron, now that someone beside Daddy (or husband, or brother, or boyfriend) said it, she'll probably listen.

Chas.

priusron wrote:When she told him it was a 380, he began lecturing her and telling her she needed a 9mm or 40

Relatively new gun owner here. What is the difference between 380 and 9mm in terms of stopping power? As bullets, they seem pretty close to being the same.

I guess I understand why people use 40, from my understanding it stops better because it is heavier and penetrates better.
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-con ... erAmmo.gif
(Large image, it is a chart comparing different Winchester Ammunition results through different objects, Interesting IMO)

EDIT:
Found another one for Gold Dot ammunition:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-con ... arison.jpg

Thomas wrote:

priusron wrote:When she told him it was a 380, he began lecturing her and telling her she needed a 9mm or 40

Relatively new gun owner here. What is the difference between 380 and 9mm in terms of stopping power? As bullets, they seem pretty close to being the same.

What most people call 9mm (9x19mm) has roughly twice the muzzle energy of typical .380ACP ammo.

Cobra Medic wrote:

Thomas wrote:

priusron wrote:When she told him it was a 380, he began lecturing her and telling her she needed a 9mm or 40

Relatively new gun owner here. What is the difference between 380 and 9mm in terms of stopping power? As bullets, they seem pretty close to being the same.

What most people call 9mm (9x19mm) has roughly twice the muzzle energy of typical .380ACP ammo.

Learned something new. Thank you

I paid for the CHL, they have to buy their own guns. Three daughters and a wife and they are all armed. I love it.
I loved the 45 zone. Made me lol
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Thomas wrote:Relatively new gun owner here. What is the difference between 380 and 9mm in terms of stopping power? As bullets, they seem pretty close to being the same.

9mm is pitiful in terms of stopping power, while .380 is darn near hopeless. If you want stopping power in a handgun, you need something much bigger.

Thomas wrote:
Relatively new gun owner here. What is the difference between 380 and 9mm in terms of stopping power? As bullets, they seem pretty close to being the same.


9mm is pitiful in terms of stopping power, while .380 is darn near hopeless. If you want stopping power in a handgun, you need something much bigger.

i think my 9mm Hornaday Critical defense JHP has plenty of stopping power thank you very much, its no 12 gauge but that might be a little much to conceal

Hey at least she followed the first rule of a gun fight. That is to bring a gun.

Years ago (someone I know) was charges by a man wielding a knife. He emptied a G17 mag into the man, and he kept coming. Another (coworker) arrived as it was going down and stopped the guy with two shots from a .45 acp (1911 for the curious).

(names/relations changed to keep the story anonymous)

Be careful saying ANYTHING has plenty of stopping power. Any of us, if in a gun fight, would instantly prefer something bigger and badder. Make the best you can with what you have.

I carry a .380 on my ankle at times when it's all I can. I carry a G21SF with a light, extra mags, and a patrol rifle in the trunk when I can. Each variation is a compromise.

I want to clear something up for Thomas since he is a new gun owner and wanting to learn. Stopping power is a fairly undefined term when it comes to defensive shooting (not to be confused with 'knock down' power which is total hooey.)

There are basically three ways that a bullet striking an individual will stop them; a central nervous system hit, bleeding out or giving up.

With a central nervous system hit, the body will immediately look to shut down and the person will usually collapse or be unable to control their system and continue their attack.

Second, if the bullet doesn't strike the central nervous system, then you have to wait for the wound to bleed out so the attacker looses enough blood they can no longer function and stop their attack. This will vary greatly depending on where the bullet entered the body and if it strikes a major vessel or not. The bigger the hole, the more blood loss usually, but again it depends on the location of the hit.

The third is the attacker realizes they have been shot and mentally decides to quit attacking and retreats or surrenders.

A shot to the center of mass of the body has a greater chance of you scoring a hit and hitting a vital organ or the central nervous system. A shot to the head will be even more effective usually, but harder to hit. A handgun caliber with more muzzle energy and mass transfered to the attacker can be a benefit (heavier round and/or faster velocity) to create more shock to the system. It can also help in penetration of outer clothing, and will be better going through fat and bone.

Bottom line, any handgun caliber can do the job with the proper shot placement, even a .22. But a larger diameter, heavier, faster round will usually have a better chance at causing one of the three issues above to occur, therefore stopping your attacker.

Hope that helps a little.

And, to stay totally on topic, I am glad she was carrying. Good for her. Wish I could get my wife to carry.

Thank you for your awesome explanation Keith B