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The debate is ongoing on a couple of threads, so I guess its time to put it to a non-scientific vote...

I voted that it should include all CHL's. I agree with the following statement issued by Senator Birdwell.

“Today, I voted against the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 905. As a strong proponent of Second Amendment rights, I could not in good conscience grant myself a privilege that I had failed to first grant law-abiding citizens. Concealed handgun license holders are allowed to carry almost everywhere they go. In my judgment, if we are going to expand when and where Texans can legally carry a concealed firearm, we should start with our citizens — not our lawmakers.”

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What Senator Birdwell said is right on the money...

The only difference is, if lawmakers want the protections afforded as well, thats ok in my book, I have never said they don't deserve it, they need to be right there with us and not before us...

"Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure....."

(name that movie.)

Thanks for poll.

Here is the galling thing:

“This bill is really about logistics,” Patrick said earlier, when the bill was approved by a Senate committee. “We go from one place to another — maybe five or six places in one evening for functions and events — and we may be faced with either leaving (guns) in the car or taking them inside and violating the law.
“This bill is just to solve that problem.”

....as if regular citizens who hold CHLs didn't themselves face exactly these logistical issues.

All the same, I'm inclined to trust what Charles says.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Here is the galling thing:

“This bill is really about logistics,” Patrick said earlier, when the bill was approved by a Senate committee. “We go from one place to another — maybe five or six places in one evening for functions and events — and we may be faced with either leaving (guns) in the car or taking them inside and violating the law.
“This bill is just to solve that problem.”

....as if regular citizens who hold CHLs didn't themselves face exactly these logistical issues.

All the same, I'm inclined to trust what Charles says.

Decisions, decisions, decisions. Yeah, I really feel bad for those people.

As Charles said in THIS THREAD about alleged bad behavior by the TSRA regarding the open carry bill:

I don't have anything going that would damage my credibility and future effectiveness, nor do Alice Tripp or the NRA lobbyist. For people who know anything about politics, the greatest proof that neither TSRA nor NRA did what was falsely claimed by Shane McCrary and apparently hinted by some staffer (though not to me during our call) is the fact that we would be destroying our reputation, credibility and our ability to get anything done in future sessions. A lack of trustworthiness in Austin means you have no influence; no influence means you can't get anything passed, nor can you kill bills. NRA/TSRA did not do what McCrary claims.

It takes a long long time, and a lot of hard work to build up the kind of political capital that makes Charles, and NRA/TSRA effective advocates for the RKBA. They are not about to throw that away over some hare-brained scheme. That is another reason for why I trust Charles when he says it would be better not to discuss the reason for supporting the Kleinschmidt amendment to SB905.

blue wrote:"Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure....."

(name that movie.)

Aliens

mgood wrote:

blue wrote:"Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure....."

(name that movie.)

Aliens

"The amendments mostly come out in committee, mostly."

blue wrote:"Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure....."

(name that movie.)

Thanks for poll.

Aliens...Corporal Hicks...

I wonder if Senator Birdwell will get a call, he seems to be on track with the evidence in hand, and is making his stand based upon that...If there is something else going on, he might very well be someone to talk to to fill in any gaps...If he changes his mind, then most of us might relax a little bit and see what happens...

I really, really want to just shut up and see what happens...But I just can't...I have a feeling some would like that a lot...

I simply have a credible, principled and respectful disagreement with the information, as it is known, and the unknowns are just not enough to keep me from having the heebee-jeebees about all of this...

At the end of the day, those of us who had this same position, have to wear egg on their faces, so be it, If I was on the other side of this, I would feel pretty bad about that, because we could have had solid allies and supporters from the start...

Considering all of the things we have seen in the last two legislative sessions, with the majority leadership maginalizing and bearing to the left of the political spectrum on a great manyu issues outside gun rights and other firearm issues, I have to be very pessimistic about the way this is going...

In my opinion no one should be running with blinders on, and be skull-blocked on just one issue...I have to shamefully admit that I have a low degree of confidence in the party I am affiliated with, mostly with the leadership that is systematically shooting itself in the foot on a lot of other things that should be a shoe-in...

But thats just my take on all of this...

The Annoyed Man wrote:As Charles said in THIS THREAD about alleged bad behavior by the TSRA regarding the open carry bill:

I don't have anything going that would damage my credibility and future effectiveness, nor do Alice Tripp or the NRA lobbyist. For people who know anything about politics, the greatest proof that neither TSRA nor NRA did what was falsely claimed by Shane McCrary and apparently hinted by some staffer (though not to me during our call) is the fact that we would be destroying our reputation, credibility and our ability to get anything done in future sessions. A lack of trustworthiness in Austin means you have no influence; no influence means you can't get anything passed, nor can you kill bills. NRA/TSRA did not do what McCrary claims.

It takes a long long time, and a lot of hard work to build up the kind of political capital that makes Charles, and NRA/TSRA effective advocates for the RKBA. They are not about to throw that away over some hare-brained scheme. That is another reason for why I trust Charles when he says it would be better not to discuss the reason for supporting the Kleinschmidt amendment to SB905.

Now this is the most compelling point I have yet heard. Thanks for posting it.

The Annoyed Man wrote: All the same, I'm inclined to trust what Charles says.

also. One of the things we need to do is trust those that are lobbying for our rights (Alice, Charles, etc.). They DO have best interest in mind. They also have YEARS of experience at working with bill and legislators under their belt. While we may all want it now, and that might be great, reality is it ain't gonna happen. And, I can tell you from personal experience, that until you have been in their shoes and tried to work lobbying the state and federal politicians, you have NO clue what they have to deal with and how much you have to tap dance to get some of these folks to pay attention and decide you have the best show in town. So, let's stand behind them and their decisions on what can get through, what makes sense to try and help us get the most we can this session, and what will prime the legislators for future sessions.

Keith B wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: All the same, I'm inclined to trust what Charles says.

also. One of the things we need to do is trust those that are lobbying for our rights (Alice, Charles, etc.). They DO have best interest in mind. They also have YEARS of experience at working with bill and legislators under their belt. While we may all want it now, and that might be great, reality is it ain't gonna happen. And, I can tell you from personal experience, that until you have been in their shoes and tried to work lobbying the state and federal politicians, you have NO clue what they have to deal with and how much you have to tap dance to get some of these folks to pay attention and decide you have the best show in town. So, let's stand behind them and their decisions on what can get through, what makes sense to try and help us get the most we can this session, and what will prime the legislators for future sessions.

Even though I voted on this poll for all CHL's, I too trust Charles and sent my Rep Bill Zedler an email asking him to support the amendment to SB 905 when it is presented. As I stated in another post this has left a bad taste in my mouth because this goes against my principles, but I have faith in Charles that the end game will be having all CHL's covered.

I don't doubt Charles' intentions.
But some of those legislators...