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Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:12 pm
by anygunanywhere
I personally would like to see "all" of my second amendment rights back. I could live peaceably in a world without reasonable restrictions. My experience in all matters RKBA related is that as a rule, the Fudds typically agree with so called resonable restrictions as long as the restrictions do not apply to what they like. Fudds typically think of themselves as reasonable fellows.

There are no reasonable restrictins to the second amendment.

Anygunanywhere

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:56 pm
by texasmusic
It seems that you have a developed definition of a "Fudd". But do they exist? I've never met a hunting guy who cared about reducing EBR rights.

It seems that G.A. is not arguing that a "Fudd" is a good thing, but that a "Fudd" is not what you define it to be. When you have this separation of vocabulary it makes the argument quite futile.

I have been in many a argument that would have saved a lot of red-face and yelling had both sides actually agreed upon the definition a few key things. :biggrinjester:

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:34 pm
by texasmusic
First time I've heard of the term was in this thread.

Maybe I'm a ...... FUDD! :shock:

But really, I don't think you could accuse anyone on a CHL forum of being a fudd or supporting fudds.

It seems like a fudd is just a liberal who is trying to disguise himself as a gun guy to put on a front of knowing what they're talking about/ grasping for straws at the hope of "come on lets at least ban something! worry about the rest later"/ fears putting off people who are pro-hunting but rather apathetic about the whole EBR thing

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:58 pm
by Big_Red_Tex
Anyone who thinks their gun is different just because it's longer, purpose built, Expensive, and has funny clothing to go along with it. Is an out and out idiot. I've always said they don't give IQ tests when they are giving background checks. It's just a process to show that you haven't done anything stupid yet. FUDD's is a new term for me. But elitist's are elitist's no matter what industry or religion. And once you go to extreme's to say you're better than one or another then you've lost any respect or clout as having a opinion towards something. The reason they came up with pistol's was so hunter's didn't have to kill themselves carrying a long gun all the time. Either way I don't care who you are just remember pistol's rifle's and shotGUN's are all guns.

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:13 pm
by glbedd53
I have known too many hunters that see no need to go to the trouble or small expense to join the NRA.

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:57 pm
by G.A. Heath
Now that I know your definition of a Fudd I can look at things from your point of view. I have never seen your definition of a Fudd used in the real world so let me tell you a little story. I went looking for an over & under shotty, found one that was exactly what I wanted, and asked to to see it. The owner/manager was the employee I asked to let me see it, and he handed it over while saying "I would recommend something else for home defense." He then started trying to push a mossberg 500 with an axiom pistol grip stock. I politely pointed out that it wouldn't be used for home defense and I was looking for a new dove gun while checking how the gun fit me. He then went off on me about how he didn't particularly like hunters and that Fudds were not welcome in his store because they catered more to concealed carry, black rifles, and competitive shooting sports. I put his shotgun on the counter, took out my wallet removed the cash I had planned to buy the shotty with, showed my hunting license, my CHL, and explained that as a hunter I would not do business with him, as a CHL holder I would not do business with him, as a black rifle owner I would not do business with him, and should I get into competitive shooting I still will not do business with him. He was trying to find some way to make it up to me as soon as he saw the cash and he kept trying as I walked out the door for the first and last time. The odd thing was I never heard an apology, just an offer of a discount, free ammo for the shotty, a nice case, ect. I have not been back into the business since then. His definition for fudd was hunter like many other folks who think that playing a game or carrying their favorite pistol in a tactical holster in a tactical shoulder rig or on a tactical belt with a tactical magazine holder while eating tactical bacon and dreaming about a zombie uprising makes them an "operator". To me a firearm is a tool and I prefer to use the proper tool for the job. If someone decides to insult me for one legal activity I participate in and enjoy then they won't get my money.

Definitions are critical the definition of Fudd that I all most always encounter is the same as the above gun dealer was using. Now lets not consign the folks that meet your definition of fudd to exile from the gun community, instead lets try to educate them and grow our numbers. Some folks may believe that some minimal restrictions on the 2nd amendment is acceptable (such as background checks, prohibition for felons, and no guns for illegal immigrants). Some folks might think that there should be licensing to own or carry, some folks might think that only firearms with a capacity of 10 rounds or less should be available to the public, and so on. The one thing that we have to keep in mind is that they are people and they can change their minds. In addition to that their vote is every bit as power full as yours or mine so we want that vote on our side so we want to educate them and let them see our point of view so they can decide to accept or reject it. So lets take out our playbooks as gun rights advocates and rip out the page with name calling and put in a page about education.

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:19 pm
by OldCannon
What's so hilarious is that the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The second amendment could be repealed entirely and Fudds would still be able to hunt, if their state permitted it.

Hunting and the purpose of the second amendment are mutually exclusive. They just happen to use similar tools, that's all.

Re: Fudds vs Evil Black Rifle owners

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:25 pm
by 74novaman
Fudds have a simple definition in my book. Anyone who's willing to throw other gun owners under the bus to protect their special gun sport. Strangely, that seems to apply mostly to hunters who would support an assault weapons ban because they don't see why anyone needs "military weapons" or would support a carry or handgun ban because "that's what cops are for".

They ignore our opponents words about turning them all in and think by betraying black rifle owners they can keep their bolt guns. Theyre appeasers of the worst sort.

What happens if they ban black guns? Next they'll go after "sniper rifles capable of punching through a police officers vest."

There seem to be fewer fudds these days but they provided political cover for the AWB. Dems were able to quote fudds and say "see?! Even gun owners support banning these baby murder machines!"

Fudds neither understand nor support the second amendment. They just want to be able to go duck and deer hunting.