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Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:49 am
by Rex B
Troubling, to say the least.

Says it would take a miracle for Mitt to get the electoral votes
http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-str ... essinsider+(Business+Insider" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Oddsmaker with a very good record has BHO at 58%
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contr ... tId=743474" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:02 am
by SQLGeek
We'll see. I'd be mildly surprised if Romney doesn't carry Florida and North Carolina.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:11 am
by Rex B
Even if he gets both Fl and NC, he will be short another 12 votes just to equal BHO's current "sure thing" total.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:14 am
by Heartland Patriot
EDITED TO ADD CONTENT

Dick Morris has been warning folks about this very thing. That the pollsters, by and large, are going to try and create a self-fulfilling prophecy by telling everyone that since the election is already won by their Glorious Leader, why should anyone bother voting for Mitt Romney. As a rapper once famously said, "Don't believe the hype".

I sent the following email the the writer of the article...lets see if I get anything back from him... :biggrinjester:
Comrade Weisenthal,

Your missive to the masses about the futility of the electoral college was perfect. Comrade Alinsky would be very proud of you in your dedication to the revolution. Soon, with the hard work that you and others are doing in aiding him, Comrade Obama will banish that dirty bourgeoisie Romney and the masses will be led to the gloriousness of the peoples’ socialist workers paradise. Reactionaries such as Dick Morris are attempting to spread lies about you and the other comrades who are working to bring the truth to the masses, saying that you are attempting to sway the outcome of the election. Keep it up; then only the hard-core fascists will go and vote for Romney, that vile capitalist running dog. FORWARD!

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:27 am
by SQLGeek
Rex B wrote:Even if he gets both Fl and NC, he will be short another 12 votes just to equal BHO's current "sure thing" total.
My point is, it is still a toss up IMO. I think it is quite premature to say His Holiness has this election wrapped up.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:13 am
by Rex B
Oh, I'm not giving up the fight. But since i listen o talk radio a lot, and most of them are predicting a close victor or a landslide for Romney, I fear that we will be complacent. It's going to be very hard to overcome BHO's edge in the blue states electoral votes. We don't need to underestimate that.
For my part, I'm sending more money to the RNC than I have ever done in my life.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:29 pm
by sjfcontrol
I would think just the opposite. Predicting an easy win for Obama would HELP Romney. First, it is the Republicans that tend to vote come heck or high water -- Democrats are easily dissuaded. A predicted easy win for Obama would excite the Republican base to vote despite a BO win, while convincing the Democrats that they don't have to take the trouble to vote, because Obama has it in the bag anyway.

Plus, I saw an analysis the other day that predicted that Romney should gain the majority of the remaining "undecided" voters. The logic is that everybody knows Obama now, so every undecided voter obviously has some problem with him. It's like being asked "Do you expect to still be with your wife in 5 years?" It should be a slam-dunk "of course"! It's only if you have problems that would make you answer with a wishy-washy "Well, maybe, I sure hope so...". IOW, a democratic voter with no issues regarding Obama's 2nd term, would not be undecided.

Also, I'm kinda expecting a "Chic-fil-a" election. The Tea-partiers showing up in droves and just overwhelming the poling places!
:thewave

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:32 pm
by snatchel
Man, I hope Romney actually wins the election. I have a hard time believing he can get the swing vote though... guess we will see.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:29 pm
by The Mad Moderate
Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com says its 59% Obama as well. I can only hope he is wrong.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:02 pm
by Heartland Patriot
The Mad Moderate wrote:Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com says its 59% Obama as well. I can only hope he is wrong.
Sorry, but this goes right along with what Dick Morris was saying about the "pollsters" (and obviously others) doing what they can to influence people's decisions...if you go to the Wikipedia article on the guy, he is an supporter of the man currently occupying the White House...so, I take anything he has to say or show as propaganda designed to influence the election for HIS candidate of choice.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:03 pm
by The Mad Moderate
Heartland Patriot wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com says its 59% Obama as well. I can only hope he is wrong.
Sorry, but this goes right along with what Dick Morris was saying about the "pollsters" (and obviously others) doing what they can to influence people's decisions...if you go to the Wikipedia article on the guy, he is an supporter of the man currently occupying the White House...so, I take anything he has to say or show as propaganda designed to influence the election for HIS candidate of choice.
I would agree except for the fact he called the 08 election within .2%

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:00 pm
by The Annoyed Man
It is pretty scary, actually. RealClearPolitics.com is pretty unbiased and they're giving the electoral college advantage to Obama right now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... e_map.html

And here is their polling data: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

Now, all of that said, there are some encouraging reports that Democrats are getting discouraged and losing their momentum because they're getting tired of defending Obama's record to others, when it is plainly so very, very bad. Also, a lot of democrats who favored some kind of healthcare reform are not at all happy with the reform he delivered because they are realizing how badly it is going to hurt them. And also, in his transparently false attempts at what passes among democrats for bipartisanship (their way or the highway), he has alienated some of his most radical base. So he's taking hits from both ends of his party. Now, popular vote (or lack thereof) does not necessarily translate to electoral vote if it is close, but if the shift is big enough, that electoral picture changes.

BTW, when you look at the RCP map, you can see that it is a simple matter of not sending any more food to those places.....which don't feed themselves......and maybe we can fix it for good. :smilelol5:

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:28 pm
by Scott in Houston
Reagan was well behind Carter at this point in 1980. It's still very early.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:44 am
by glockstero
Obama can only get re-elected if we sit quiet and do nothing like we did in 2008. The 2010 elections showed America is more center-right than hard left like Obama's policies are. Speak up people, your future depends on it.

Re: Election all but over?

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:59 am
by sjfcontrol
The Annoyed Man wrote:It is pretty scary, actually. RealClearPolitics.com is pretty unbiased and they're giving the electoral college advantage to Obama right now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... e_map.html

And here is their polling data: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

Now, all of that said, there are some encouraging reports that Democrats are getting discouraged and losing their momentum because they're getting tired of defending Obama's record to others, when it is plainly so very, very bad. Also, a lot of democrats who favored some kind of healthcare reform are not at all happy with the reform he delivered because they are realizing how badly it is going to hurt them. And also, in his transparently false attempts at what passes among democrats for bipartisanship (their way or the highway), he has alienated some of his most radical base. So he's taking hits from both ends of his party. Now, popular vote (or lack thereof) does not necessarily translate to electoral vote if it is close, but if the shift is big enough, that electoral picture changes.

BTW, when you look at the RCP map, you can see that it is a simple matter of not sending any more food to those places.....which don't feed themselves......and maybe we can fix it for good. :smilelol5:
Starvation Politics?? :shock: ... I like it! :clapping: :mrgreen: