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student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:54 pm
by RPB
Galena Park student shoots himself after arrest
By Erin Mulvaney, Ericka Mellon | December 5, 2012 | Updated: December 5, 2012 2:24pm
A North Shore High School student shot himself Wednesday after constable's deputies took him into custody on campus to protect him from hurting himself,
Harris County Precinct 3 constables' deputies, who provide security for the school, searched the youth, handcuffed him and put him a police vehicle to take him somewhere he could be safe,
While handcuffed in the moving police car, the student retrieved a "hidden gun" and shot himself
"I know he was searched. He might have had it hidden really well," he said.
The student was conscious when taken to the hospital,
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Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:17 pm
by smoothoperator
Whose gun was it?
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:25 pm
by Oldgringo
"I know he was searched. He might have had it hidden really well," he said.
You think?

Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:37 pm
by baldeagle
Oldgringo wrote:"I know he was searched. He might have had it hidden really well," he said.
You think?

Or the search might not have been thorough enough.....
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:38 pm
by Gameover
Was he really searched or just handcuffed and placed in the backseat? Someone dropped the ball on this one

Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:37 am
by gigag04
baldeagle wrote:Oldgringo wrote:"I know he was searched. He might have had it hidden really well," he said.
You think?

Or the search might not have been thorough enough.....
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Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:08 am
by Ericstac
Once searched, handcuffed and stuffed in the police car isn't the kid under the police responsibility and whatever happens to him after that is on them?
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:34 am
by C-dub
Ericstac wrote:Once searched, handcuffed and stuffed in the police car isn't the kid under the police responsibility and whatever happens to him after that is on them?
I don't think so. There are many drunks that start slamming their heads into doors and windows or kicking them. Sometimes they break them and then they are charged with the destruction and have to pay for it.
Now, I suppose a democrat would argue that it is the police officer's fault for putting them into the back of their patrol car in the first place and they should be responsible for what ever happened.
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:11 pm
by gigag04
C-dub wrote:Ericstac wrote:Once searched, handcuffed and stuffed in the police car isn't the kid under the police responsibility and whatever happens to him after that is on them?
I don't think so. There are many drunks that start slamming their heads into doors and windows or kicking them. Sometimes they break them and then they are charged with the destruction and have to pay for it.
Now, I suppose a democrat would argue that it is the police officer's fault for putting them into the back of their patrol car in the first place and they should be responsible for what ever happened.
Actually once their in your custody - especially if you are detaining someone or ther safety, thy become your responsibility. A drunk bloodying his own nose and a suicidal kid using a gun missed on your search are very different.
I doubt they will ultimately be held criminally responsible, but I'm sure that's a grievous policy violation.
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:32 pm
by Mike1951
Was not a good week for Precinct 3. Their deputy at C.E. King had an ND, an arrest warrant turned into a barricaded suspect in Huffman, and now this.
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:16 pm
by RKirkwood
I have to believe the LEO is at fault. If the student was supposed to have a gun a better search should have been done.
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:31 pm
by C-dub
gigag04 wrote:C-dub wrote:Ericstac wrote:Once searched, handcuffed and stuffed in the police car isn't the kid under the police responsibility and whatever happens to him after that is on them?
I don't think so. There are many drunks that start slamming their heads into doors and windows or kicking them. Sometimes they break them and then they are charged with the destruction and have to pay for it.
Now, I suppose a democrat would argue that it is the police officer's fault for putting them into the back of their patrol car in the first place and they should be responsible for what ever happened.
Actually once their in your custody - especially if you are detaining someone or ther safety, thy become your responsibility. A drunk bloodying his own nose and a suicidal kid using a gun missed on your search are very different.
I doubt they will ultimately be held criminally responsible, but I'm sure that's a grievous policy violation.
You mean they were lying to us on COPS?

Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:52 pm
by Ericstac
http://www.khou.com/home/Classmates-dea ... 13701.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
boy, that deputy sure is lucky that boy didn't shoot him first.
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:29 pm
by i8godzilla
In 1994, a handcuffed robbery suspect riding in the back of a patrol car shot Guy Gaddis, a Houston police officer, in the back of the head. In 2006, HPD Officer Rodney Johnson was shot to death by a handcuffed man in the back seat of his patrol car. In both of those high-profile cases, officers had overlooked weapons carried by the killers.
Re: student shoots himself after arrest
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:38 pm
by ELB
gigag04 wrote: ...
Actually once their in your custody - especially if you are detaining someone or ther safety, thy become your responsibility. ....
Yes, one of the few times that the police actually have a duty to protect an individual, per numerous SCOTUS decisions.