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I didn't say a great gun, so if you were expecting a CZ 75 or a Sig, move on, nothing to see here.

However, I needed an extra gun for classes, as I find many people wanting to take a basic pistol class before they buy a gun. I rent a few guns to them, but I can't justify stocking a house full of Glocks or CZs. I bought a Hi-Point .45. I wanted the 9mm they had 2 days before, but it was taken.

This is a (relatively) well-made gun, made in USA, of very inexpensive materials and processes. The trigger sucks, and it's big as a brick, but it fires every time, and is actually pretty accurate. I had no problems with it the first time at the range, and could drill out the center of the bullseye. The extra weight absorbs most of the recoil, so it is pretty soft-shooting. I wouldn't want to carry it (too big, anyway), but it works well as a range gun, and would be fine for a bedroom drawer gun. The sights are actually good. You do have to talk nice to the magazine to use a speed-loader on it.

BTW, it cost $169.00 at Cabela's.

skeathley wrote:I didn't say a great gun, so if you were expecting a CZ 75 or a Sig, move on, nothing to see here.

However, I needed an extra gun for classes, as I find many people wanting to take a basic pistol class before they buy a gun. I rent a few guns to them, but I can't justify stocking a house full of Glocks or CZs. I bought a Hi-Point .45. I wanted the 9mm they had 2 days before, but it was taken.

This is a (relatively) well-made gun, made in USA, of very inexpensive materials and processes. The trigger sucks, and it's big as a brick, but it fires every time, and is actually pretty accurate. I had no problems with it the first time at the range, and could drill out the center of the bullseye. The extra weight absorbs most of the recoil, so it is pretty soft-shooting. I wouldn't want to carry it (too big, anyway), but it works well as a range gun, and would be fine for a bedroom drawer gun. The sights are actually good. You do have to talk nice to the magazine to use a speed-loader on it.

BTW, it cost $169.00 at Cabela's.

Years ago I was a member of a group of professional winemakers and vintners.

Every month we had our meeting where we had a decent dinner sponsored and catered by a local winery, listened to a couple of guest speakers and conducted a wine tasting.
Whenever someone brought a bottle of inferior wine to the tasting the polite members of the group would taste it, spit it out, and call it "interesting."

How would I describe a Hi-Point: large, ugly, inexpensive, reliable, reasonably accurate

I own one (.380), and have had the chance to shoot two others regularly, and are not bad. I have had one FTF and a couple of FTEs with the one I own over about 400 rounds and all of these were reloads with less than pristine brass. With new ammo I've never had a problem. I've kept it mainly as a range gun because I have friends that can handle the recoil and working the action on this better than anything else I own.

I don't think you can hurt it short of melting it http://youtu.be/DiwPt-wMfdI or blowing it up http://youtu.be/LKkQm5TRaWE

I do not own a Hi point. I Have no dog in this hunt, only 15 years of experience teaching firearms. I have seen only a small few in CHL classes. All have malfunctioned.

I have seen more in guard classes. Many more. All but 1 Malfunctioned. Perhaps my sample size is too small.

IMO, a used revolver is better. Plus, revolvers are great for teaching trigger control.

OP, please do not get defensive. I am not judging or critizing you for choosing one. Just relating my experience.

I bought a Beretta Neos with a 6' barrel in .22LR for the same purpose. It is great to teach basic skills, has zero recoil, cheap to shoot, great sites, good trigger, and only costs $250.

WildBill wrote:Years ago I was a member of a group of professional winemakers and vintners.

Every month we had our meeting where we had a decent dinner sponsored and catered by a local winery, listened to a couple of guest speakers and conducted a wine tasting.
Whenever someone brought a bottle of inferior wine to the tasting the polite members of the group would taste it, spit it out, and call it "interesting."

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!

My only experience with a Hi-Point was a range day with my son, his former supervisor, and her brother. The brother had a 9mm Hi-Point, and it jammed all the time that day. But in all fairness, I didn't watch his technique at all, and he was one of those rare people who I thought was not a good ambassador for the 2nd Amendment........not because of his politics, but because of his preoccupation with chemically induced relaxation techniques. He was also a flaming and vocal Obama supporter, which made him kind of persona non grata with everybody else. When I sincerely enquired why he had chosen a Hi-Point over other brands, he pronounced that they were all the same and that this one was good enough for him. There was so much FAIL in the first half of his reply that the second half was as true as the day was long.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

WildBill wrote:Years ago I was a member of a group of professional winemakers and vintners.

Every month we had our meeting where we had a decent dinner sponsored and catered by a local winery, listened to a couple of guest speakers and conducted a wine tasting.
Whenever someone brought a bottle of inferior wine to the tasting the polite members of the group would taste it, spit it out, and call it "interesting."

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!

My only experience with a Hi-Point was a range day with my son, his former supervisor, and her brother. The brother had a 9mm Hi-Point, and it jammed all the time that day. But in all fairness, I didn't watch his technique at all, and he was one of those rare people who I thought was not a good ambassador for the 2nd Amendment........not because of his politics, but because of his preoccupation with chemically induced relaxation techniques. He was also a flaming and vocal Obama supporter, which made him kind of persona non grata with everybody else. When I sincerely enquired why he had chosen a Hi-Point over other brands, he pronounced that they were all the same and that this one was good enough for him. There was so much FAIL in the first half of his reply that the second half was as true as the day was long.

I wonder what make/model of car he drove. Would he have any explanation for purchasing one brand over another? There would probably be no reason in his mind to buy a Mercedes rather than an AMC Pacer. Guns and cars are very similar in that build quality and performance are unimportant. (sarcasm alert)

HKMike wrote:I wonder what make/model of car he drove. Would he have any explanation for purchasing one brand over another? There would probably be no reason in his mind to buy a Mercedes rather than an AMC Pacer. Guns and cars are very similar in that build quality and performance are unimportant. (sarcasm alert)

People have different priorities on what they purchase and how they allocate their money. I have seen Mercedes parked in front of rundown apartments and AMC Pacers in the driveways of expensive homes. I have also seen production workers at company parties dressed in $1000 outfits where their supervisor wore Dickies.

WildBill wrote:

HKMike wrote:I wonder what make/model of car he drove. Would he have any explanation for purchasing one brand over another? There would probably be no reason in his mind to buy a Mercedes rather than an AMC Pacer. Guns and cars are very similar in that build quality and performance are unimportant. (sarcasm alert)

People have different priorities on what they purchase and how they allocate their money. I have seen Mercedes parked in front of rundown apartments and AMC Pacers in the driveways of expensive homes. I have also seen production workers at company parties dressed in $1000 outfits where their supervisor wore Dickies.

I went on a trip to Maine one time. We would drive down the road past run down houses. You look in a yard as you drive by and the house is run down but in the yard are brand new 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, trucks, and a satellite dish. That's when you notice the front door is a blue tarp. The sad/weird part is when we went up there the next year the same house still had a blue tarp for a door.


back on topic about the Hi Point years ago a friend of mine bought one at a gun show in Lufkin chambered in 9mm. I can't remember if it was reliable or not but I didn't like how it required tools to take apart. I also didn't care for how clunky and top heavy it was. The other part besides needing tools that really stuck out to me was when we were shooting outside in July. Despite it being a 9mm I still had to wipe my hands off every couple of rounds so the pistol wouldn't slip out of my hands. That gun gets slick when you're hands are wet.

remington79 wrote:

WildBill wrote:People have different priorities on what they purchase and how they allocate their money. I have seen Mercedes parked in front of rundown apartments and AMC Pacers in the driveways of expensive homes. I have also seen production workers at company parties dressed in $1000 outfits where their supervisor wore Dickies.

I went on a trip to Maine one time. We would drive down the road past run down houses. You look in a yard as you drive by and the house is run down but in the yard are brand new 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, trucks, and a satellite dish. That's when you notice the front door is a blue tarp. The sad/weird part is when we went up there the next year the same house still had a blue tarp for a door.

If they're working and spending their own money rather than a government entitlement check, I say they earned the right to buy what makes them happy instead of trying to keep up appearances for other people.

tbrown wrote:

remington79 wrote:

WildBill wrote:People have different priorities on what they purchase and how they allocate their money. I have seen Mercedes parked in front of rundown apartments and AMC Pacers in the driveways of expensive homes. I have also seen production workers at company parties dressed in $1000 outfits where their supervisor wore Dickies.

I went on a trip to Maine one time. We would drive down the road past run down houses. You look in a yard as you drive by and the house is run down but in the yard are brand new 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, trucks, and a satellite dish. That's when you notice the front door is a blue tarp. The sad/weird part is when we went up there the next year the same house still had a blue tarp for a door.

If they're working and spending their own money rather than a government entitlement check, I say they earned the right to buy what makes them happy instead of trying to keep up appearances for other people.

That is my point. I agree they earned the right to buy what makes them happy.
But, it could be that some are keeping up appearances for other people.
Their neighbors can only see what is on the outside of their home.

I was commenting more on the blue tarp as a long term solution.

tbrown wrote: I was commenting more on the blue tarp as a long term solution.

Behind that blue tarp, there could be a walnut-stained solid oak door with stained glass windows.

Could be. Could be they're just putting on a show for the tourists.

I used to have a Hipoint 45. It shot as accurately as any gun I have owned. And once I got the magazines figured out, it was very reliable. The magazines are a problem for the gun. If the lips are not spread right, you will get lots of jams. If the lips were set right, no problems. Plus they have one of the best guarantees in the business.

All this to say that the Hipoints are probably the best of the cheap handguns. But remember the category is "cheap handguns". You are probably better off to spend a little more buy an old S&W revolver or a Ruger P series than to buy a Hipoint.