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MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:22 pm
by cb1000rider
I have some amount of interest in firearm laws and enforcement in MI for two reasons:
1) I spend some amount of time up there.
2) MI is an "open carry" state, so I look to see what that means in terms of public acceptance and general behavior.. Do note that the same "open carry" activists do stunts up there too.
I ran across this:
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.s ... n_cla.html
I found it interesting as it's pretty much the opposite of what can happen in TX... Arrested for not being "open" enough about how he was carrying.
No it doesn't answer the question about why he was stopped (if he was concealed) and yes, the issue is solved by having a CHL (even one from TX)...
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:04 am
by Jumping Frog
Looks like a ridiculous arrest to me.
It was clearly visible.
Made him sit in jail for Christmas day? Put me on the jury.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:11 am
by SC1903A3
This will be settled out of court quickly.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:11 am
by jmra
So the guy was arrested for something the officer didn't see?
. I'm with Jumping Frog, put me on the jury. You just can't make this stuff up.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:15 am
by jmra
SC1903A3 wrote:This will be settled out of court quickly.
I would refuse to settle until I had several pounds of this officers flesh shaved off his hind side.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:20 am
by Panzer Possum
He could have avoided the whole situation if he had a license.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:42 am
by Jumping Frog
Panzer Possum wrote:He could have avoided the whole situation if he had a license.
Most states do not require a license. In those states, any citizen can open carry unless they are disqualified from possessing firearms at all.
I open carried without a license over 20 years before I was even able to get a license.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:07 am
by cb1000rider
I just thought it was interesting... Here, you get arrested if someone spots your firearm.
In MI, you get arrested if someone can't spot it...
States rights, I guess...
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:15 am
by jbarn
Jumping Frog wrote:Panzer Possum wrote:He could have avoided the whole situation if he had a license.
Most states do not require a license. In those states, any citizen can open carry unless they are disqualified from possessing firearms at all.
I open carried without a license over 20 years before I was even able to get a license.
"Most"states do not require a license? How many? Which one?
So in over half the states one can open carry without restriction? Really?
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:31 am
by bigbang
It sounds like you need a license to carry concealed in Michigan, same as Texas. The difference is they allow open carry. Maybe one day Texas will too.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:08 pm
by jmorris
jbarn wrote:Jumping Frog wrote:Panzer Possum wrote:He could have avoided the whole situation if he had a license.
Most states do not require a license. In those states, any citizen can open carry unless they are disqualified from possessing firearms at all.
I open carried without a license over 20 years before I was even able to get a license.
"Most"states do not require a license? How many? Which one?
So in over half the states one can open carry without restriction? Really?
http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103
15 Gold Star states, no licencse required.
17 Friendly states. No license but some exemptions exist. Such as no state preemption so local legistration can restrict open carry.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:12 am
by Jumping Frog
jmorris wrote:http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103
15 Gold Star states, no license required.
17 Friendly states. No license but some exemptions exist. Such as no state preemption so local legistration can restrict open carry.
I counted 14 Gold star states, 16 "Open Carry Friendly". Either way, we are both above half the states.
I'd phrase the "Friendly" states a little bit differently. Usually it means no license required, but there are some circumstances that are restricted, most commonly loaded guns in vehicles. For example, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin are listed as "open carry friendly" because unlicensed open carry is legal, however an unlicensed person cannot have a loaded firearm in a vehicle (it is considered concealed). Then you have states like Nebraska that are traditional open carry, but do not have statewide preemption, so cities are allowed to pass laws restricting open carry.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:13 am
by Jumping Frog
jbarn wrote:"Most"states do not require a license?
Yep.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:17 am
by jmra
Jumping Frog wrote:jmorris wrote:http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103
15 Gold Star states, no license required.
17 Friendly states. No license but some exemptions exist. Such as no state preemption so local legistration can restrict open carry.
I counted 14 Gold star states, 16 "Open Carry Friendly". Either way, we are both above half the states.
I'd phrase the "Friendly" states a little bit differently. Usually it means no license required, but there are some circumstances that are restricted, most commonly loaded guns in vehicles. For example, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin are listed as "open carry friendly" because unlicensed open carry is legal, however an unlicensed person cannot have a loaded firearm in a vehicle (it is considered concealed). Then you have states like Nebraska that are traditional open carry, but do not have statewide preemption, so cities are allowed to pass laws restricting open carry.
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Nice graphic. Thanks for posting it.
Re: MI: Arrest for concealed weapon
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:31 pm
by jmorris
Jumping Frog wrote:jmorris wrote:http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103
15 Gold Star states, no license required.
17 Friendly states. No license but some exemptions exist. Such as no state preemption so local legistration can restrict open carry.
I counted 14 Gold star states, 16 "Open Carry Friendly". Either way, we are both above half the states.
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Idiot. Me that is. I counted by color, and counted both on the map and the list.