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I don't know why I wasted my time voting in the last election, but our Republican Congress has taught me the error of my ways.

The U.S. Treasury Department has rebuffed a request by House Ways and Means Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R- Wis., to explain $3 billion in payments that were made to health insurers even though Congress never authorized the spending through annual appropriations.

At issue are payments to insurers known as cost-sharing subsidies. These payments come about because President Obama’s healthcare law forces insurers to limit out-of-pocket costs for certain low income individuals by capping consumer expenses, such as deductibles and co-payments, in insurance policies. In exchange for capping these charges, insurers are supposed to receive compensation.

What’s tricky is that Congress never authorized any money to make such payments to insurers in its annual appropriations, but the Department of Health and Human Services, with the cooperation of the U.S. Treasury, made them anyway.

Too bad there's not some viable political party out there that if elected would actually enforce the law.

Well we have one party and the media that are actively supporting Obama's unconstitutional acts. And they seem to be successful in pushing popular opinion to support Obama. The willingness of some young commentators to ignore the Constitution is unbelievable.

Then we have one party that likes to talk about the fact that Obama engages in unconstitutional acts but doesn't have the guts to buck the media to do anything.

It all is disgusting!

Dems are running roughshod because the GOP has already shown it's unwilling to shut down the government to exercise its power of the purse.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Boehner must go.

stroo wrote:Well we have one party and the media that are actively supporting Obama's unconstitutional acts. And they seem to be successful in pushing popular opinion to support Obama. The willingness of some young commentators to ignore the Constitution is unbelievable.

Then we have one party that likes to talk about the fact that Obama engages in unconstitutional acts but doesn't have the guts to buck the media to do anything.

It all is disgusting!

So what would happen if everyone changed their w-4's to like 10 dependents this puts money in our pockets until tax time comes around and cuts the income of the Gov't until then?

I see.. post in the crime section so we can talk about political things unrelated to guns... :-)
Doesn't bother me at all... I like the creativity.

What’s tricky is that Congress never authorized any money to make such payments to insurers in its annual appropriations, but the Department of Health and Human Services, with the cooperation of the U.S. Treasury, made them anyway.

No offense, but isn't this true of a lot of government spending? How is this different from day to day operation.
If the government actually had to allocate dollars that we actually have to legislation, the whole machine would come to a crashing halt.


The constitutional battle over Obamacare is probably bad for the Republicans politically. If the parts associated with subsidy funding get declared unconstitutional - it's going to impact all of us.. And not impact us in a good way. Subsidizes will go away, young "healthy" people will abandon their insurance payments and the costs will be shifted back to those of us who are older (higher risk) and can afford to stay insured. The figures I've heard are increases on a scale of 40-50% (no cite). Guess who is going to get blamed for that?

Want to tear it down, there has to be a better way... To me, if you're going to tear it down, tearing it down better have a better solution that the prior growth curve, because it was just as unsustainable.

The costs of college and health insurance are going to make both impossible for anyone middle-income... Real soon, if not already...

suthdj wrote:So what would happen if everyone changed their w-4's to like 10 dependents this puts money in our pockets until tax time comes around and cuts the income of the Gov't until then?

Underpayment penalty is what happens. You have to have 90% your liability withheld (or quarterly payments). This is waived if 100% of the previous year tax amount is withheld for the next years taxes.

cb1000rider wrote:
If the parts associated with subsidy funding get declared unconstitutional - it's going to impact all of us.. And not impact us in a good way.

If this travesty of justice is allowed to continue unfettered, then it will be even worse. Choking out a fire is a much better way of putting it out than is continually feeding it gasoline.

I don't disagree with you there. My only point is that it's hardly unique to the Obama administration...

Obama's administration has moved to being a regime rather than a United States of America presidential administration as intended. They have demonstrated no regard for the Constitution, laws, character or integrity.

I'm sick of grown adults saying, "others did it so it's OK or doesn't matter". Since when does someone doing wrong give license to others to do wrong?

stroo wrote:Well we have one party and the media that are actively supporting Obama's unconstitutional acts. And they seem to be successful in pushing popular opinion to support Obama. The willingness of some young commentators to ignore the Constitution is unbelievable.

.....and then we have the Democrats!

I'm not much on the strategy of politics. A couple of weeks ago I was told the Texas legislature although controlled by the Republicans is less conservative than it should be because (correct me if I am wrong here as I'm a dunce on Texas politics) the Republic leaders rely on the votes of the Democrats to keep them in office. All the Democrats and some Republicans is a majority.

There is now being mentioned in the United States Congress that the Speaker may now be supported by a similar coalition. Since all the Democrats and 75 Republicans was enough to fund the DHS and support the President's amnesty fief.

Yesterday it was leaked by the administration to CNN that the Justice Department is investigating a New Jersey Democratic Senator and may charge him with bribery. Well naturally I was some what shocked that Holder's organization would actually do that. Then I learned the Senator is an outspoken critic of Obama's plan to give Iran the bomb. Obviously for continued fiefs to occur the President must have all the Democrats in lock step.

Then all of a sudden we have the mainstream press reporting stories negative of Hillary and her emails. What.

Apparently Hillary is not the chosen replacement for the President.

Elizabeth Warren (former native American) the Senator from MA, is apparently the one picked. A potential campaign slogans I heard was "Give Obama a third term".

With 10 million new voters in 2016, a third term for Obama may be just what happens.

I'm almost wondering if Brian Williams was swift boated for some reason.

Then AR15 ammo is banned.

Its hard to not put on the tin foil hat.

RoyGBiv wrote:Dems are running roughshod because the GOP has already shown it's unwilling to shut down the government to exercise its power of the purse.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Boehner must go.

Well I posted this in another thread too, but it bears repeating here:

The democrats have assured that they will help current republican leader to remain in office:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/23476 ... up-attempt
Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup

Tea Party Republicans contemplating a bid to oust Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) shouldn't count on Democrats to help them unseat the Speaker.

And without their support, there is no chance to topple Boehner in this Congress.

A number of right-wing Republicans, long wary of Boehner's commitment to GOP efforts attacking President Obama's policy priorities, have openly considered a coup in an attempt to transfer the gavel into more conservative hands.

But Democrats from across an ideological spectrum say they'd rather see Boehner remain atop the House than replace him with a more conservative Speaker who would almost certainly be less willing to reach across the aisle in search of compromise. Replacing him with a Tea Party Speaker, they say, would only bring the legislative process — already limping along — to a screeching halt.

We have a republican speaker who is being protected from his party roots by democrats. We have a republican majority in the Senate, and still can't get enough votes to overcome a presidential veto. How do you like that? With a democrat president, and significant minorities in both houses of Congress, the democrats are still large and in charge, and republican leadership can't bring it home.

Boehner's not going anywhere. Republicans will help the democrats drive the bus off the cliff, and then maybe we can start over from the ashes.

suthdj wrote:So what would happen if everyone changed their w-4's to like 10 dependents this puts money in our pockets until tax time comes around and cuts the income of the Gov't until then?

If you have 10 dependents that's fine. Otherwise the IRS will hit you with penalties and interest for under-withholding and there's potential worse consequences for making the false statement.

Widespread under-withholding wouldn't change a thing for Federal spending.

I also posted the following in another thread, but it is very applicable here......

I just ordered this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EN ... UTF8&psc=1.

I bought it because I read this article, which I HIGHLY recommend: http://xtribune.com/2015/01/kill-11-mil ... ve-chills/.

I do love to read about history and past governments and was given this book by a friend. The title piqued my curiosity. Who would write a book like this? “How Do You Kill 11 Million People?” by Andy Andrews. It’s very short and took me all of 25 minutes to read. However, I’ve never been so frightened by a book in my life. I sat in my big, comfy chair with chills racing down my spine and my jaw hanging open. The answer is all too simple and frighteningly, all too familiar.

I’m not going to quote the whole book here, you’ll have to buy your own to read the whole thing, but the points that struck me the most were as follows:

{——SNIP——}

The most dangerous thing any nation faces is a citizenry capable of trusting a liar to lead them….

Have you ever wondered why American doesn’t have a balanced budget? Have you ever in your life heard of a politician who wasn’t for a balanced budget?

Have you ever heard a politician speak in favor of a complicated tax code that ordinary citizens would find difficult to understand? Then why do we have a complicated tax code that ordinary citizens find hard to understand?

By the way, have you ever noticed that if any of us (citizens) lies to them (politicians), it is a felony? But if any one of them lies to us, it is considered politics…

Can 311 million Americans ever hope to wrestle the power away from 545?…”