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College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:36 am
by gward
Just how far is the Lone Star State ready to go to promote gun rights?

Trigger-friendly Texans are currently promoting two bills that could change our way of life.

One, House Bill 937, would permit concealed handgun license holders to bring their firearms onto any public college or university campus in Texas. As of this writing, the bill is being considered by a House committee, according to a March 17 article in The Texas Tribune.

I believe this is a good idea because people can actually have protection for themselves. But at the same time, people will abuse the law, which could result in an increase in injuries and deaths on college campuses.

Wesleyan will look at any legislation after it is passed and determine how it might impact the university, said John Veilleux, vice president for marketing & communications.

“The bill in its current firm allows private universities to make their own decisions regarding guns on campus,” Veilleux wrote in an email. “We will look at any legislation that is passed at the appropriate time and determine within the letter of the law what works best for our campus.”

Regardless, this is still a big deal. As Texans and students we will all be affected by this one way or another.

For example, Wesleyan students planning to transfer to public universities could be soon faced with the prospect of being on campus where people carry guns. Also, there are students who take classes at both Wesleyan and other nearby colleges, such as the University of Texas at Arlington and Tarrant County College.

The way I see it, two things could happen if the bill becomes law:

One: crime and violence increase on college campuses. Two: campuses become safer, which is highly unlikely.

I understand the law would affirm our constitutional rights, but this is just plain dangerous. Students could improperly store guns. Or they could accidentally misfire. Also, faculty and staff are not trained on how to protect students in gunfights.

And just how much is this going to cost? The Houston Chronicle reported on March 16 that implementing campus carry could cost the UT system more than $39 million over six years.

That money needs to be spent on education, not firearms. College is a place to learn and grow. We’re supposed to find ourselves here. That’s why our professors encourage different points of view.

But what happens when one student gets mad and takes it too far? What if they pulled out their gun and an educational debate ends up being a tragedy? Or what happens when a student gets mad about their grade? Or gets mad at another student?

Also, after learning and class time, many universities turn into places for students to socialize. Students go to frat parties and hang out, and often drugs and alcohol are brought into the mix. And if that wasn’t a big enough problem, now we’re going to add fire arms into the mix.

Yeah! Great idea.

he voice of the Texas Wesleyan community. The Rambler.org

therambler.org/2015/03/31/college-campuses-should-not-have-guns


They just won't stop will they? :banghead:

If this has already been posted by all means delete ! Or move if its in the wrong place. I guess this is officially my first post! So with that being said :tiphat:

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:57 am
by rbwhatever1
All Law abiding humans should have guns wherever they wish to go. If one is placed higher than the State, one has the right to exist anywhere, anytime. When the State places themselves above the people, they alone decide where the people have the right to exist. Restrictions on Liberties by Men are never a good thing.
Latest unarmed campus news below. Yes Global. Not here yet but we do have massive areas of "Legislated" targets.
Maybe those good folks at Texas Wesleyan should ponder the news...



Kenya attack targets Christians, putting new pressure on religious leaders:
"Al Shabab gunmen freed Muslims and targeted Christians in a 13-hour siege at a majority Christian university that killed at least 147 people."


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Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:16 am
by omegaman
WOW gward. You drank the kool-aid to the last drop, didn't you.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:40 am
by ScottDLS
Blood running in the streets. Gunfights over minor arguments. Improper storage resulting in dorm explosions. Cats and dogs living together. The horror, the horror. I must transfer to Rutgers so I can be safe in New Jersey. :nono:

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:47 am
by joe817
:iagree: What Andy said.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:51 am
by mr1337
One: crime and violence increase on college campuses. Two: campuses become safer, which is highly unlikely.

I understand the law would affirm our constitutional rights, but this is just plain dangerous. Students could improperly store guns. Or they could accidentally misfire. Also, faculty and staff are not trained on how to protect students in gunfights.
I think option 2 (campus becomes safer) is the more likely one, and option 1 (increase of crime and violence) is highly unlikely.

All of these articles fail to point out that the legislation only applies to CHL holders. It doesn't apply to everyone.

And to their 2nd point of improper storage, accidental misfires, and staff lacking training:

1. Each university can create its own regulations on storage.
2. Accidental misfires don't happen with holstered guns.
3. They don't need to be trained to protect students, this bill is about protecting yourself. You are not obligated to protect anyone else.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:58 am
by Beiruty
Anyone intended on committing a crime or inflicting harm on others would not stop, Ah.. look there's a gun-buster sign, or a valid 30.06 notice, le'mme go back home. For those, I would say look at this face and you would reconsider

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Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:21 am
by MechAg94
College campuses won't have guns. Licensed adult citizens will.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:31 am
by gward
AndyC you are correct, thanks :tiphat:

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:58 am
by Oldgringo
The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:49 pm
by jayinsat
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?
Never seen that in any form at the United Methodist church I'm affiliated with. :headscratch I assure you, there are multiple guns there every week.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:52 pm
by SewTexas
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?

I did not know Wesleyan were tied to Methodist. Of course I knew there was a church tie somewhere, I wasn't sure where.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:58 pm
by ScottDLS
SewTexas wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?

I did not know Wesleyan were tied to Methodist. Of course I knew there was a church tie somewhere, I wasn't sure where.
Yeah it's that crazy John Wesley when he got tired of being Anglican...

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:01 pm
by mojo84
jayinsat wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?
Never seen that in any form at the United Methodist church I'm affiliated with. :headscratch I assure you, there are multiple guns there every week.
Not my denomination so I don't have a dog in the fight. However, I this a while back.

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