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I know this will show as my first post but I was a member years ago. I forgot my original logon and password so I hope it was okay to create a new account.

I did a quick search and did not see anything this specific or clear, so here goes:

Got home to find that the complex we live in, in Plano TX has banned concealed and open carry in the leasing office and common areas. Kind of hard to explain but the wording of the addendum reads that carry to and from ones car is banned becuase the parking lots are "common" areas. There are different parts of the addendum that can be checked and the two areas that allow for carry to a car is unchecked. I do not have a scanner at home or I would scan the document so it might be easier to understand what they are specifying.

I'm not saying go into the office carrying, but concealed is concealed. I wouldn't hesitate to carry to get my mail or walk to and from my car. Legally /shrug. Just telling you what I would do.

Do you mean they have left an amended set of rules and one of the new rules indicates that you are not allowed to have guns on the complex property?

First, unless the rules contain the exact 30.06 and 30.07 language in English, they are not sufficient notice for you to be committing a crime.

Second, MPA allows you to concealed carry from your apartment to car even past a VALID 30.06 sign.

Third, if you are going target shooting, hunting, or "traveling", etc. you have a 46.15 exemption from being prosecuted for OPEN CARRYING under 30.07 and 46.02. That stated, it's probably a better idea to conceal.

If it is okay with moderators, I will scan the addendum tomorrow at work and post it. That way it can give a better understanding of what is being said.

What constitutes "common areas"? I would say the the pool, mail room, laundery, etc. Are parking lots common areas?

Violating 30.06 and 30.07 is a form of tresspass as I understand it. So can a person be arrested for tresspass on property that he pays rent to be on?

That just ain't right! If you can't carry from the parking lot to the car, how can you bring a gun which you legally bought to your apartment? I'm not a lawyer, but there has GOT to be something wrong with this "addendum."

Did you sign the addendum?

I think you should sue them because they are breaking the law. Have a good lawyer versed in the gun laws send them a letter.

We have not signed the addendum.

I would talk to them about it. I wouldn't blindly sign.

This has been discussed a few times (not taking a shot at you at all) and from what I have gathered here plus external sources they cannot legally keep you from carrying in your apartment as well as to and from your car. I would avoid carrying in the office/pool/laundry rooms if they are posted 30.06/7 otherwise they cannot do anything legally to you without verbal notice.

Here is what was left at the front door:

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All the apartment complexes I have dealt with have a portion in the lease that says their community polices can be changed at anytime by them so long as they give the resident a 24 hour notice.

I'd start looking for a new place and stall on that request to sign and return. (tell them your attorney is reviewing the documents ) When I found a new place, I would give notice and demand full return of any deposits, citing their change in policy as grounds to leave without loss of deposit. There policy appears to be in conflict with state law.


And here is why I would follow through and actually move:
They have asked you to waive your right to self defense and to carry, however, they in Paragraph 5:A say "We do not guarantee a gun free environment, and can not guarantee anyone's safety" So you are now at a much greater risk and they are now without any liability. Not sure it would hold up in court but not something I'd stick around to find out about.

Best of luck in a crappy situation.