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Let's pile on shall we.

For the forth year in a row I cc'd into the sw gate at the fair this last weekend. The girl with the wand...who looked and acted like she had little experience at this...waved her wand very haphazardly in the direction of each person with very few beeps. Those times it beeped she did nothing. When she came to me (I was prepared with my LTC) she got to within about one foot of my left side and didn't make any attempt to wand my right side where my Glock 19 Gen 4 (with new Trigicon sights, by the way, all polished up and looks so pretty....but I digress) was peacefully sleeping.

I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

What a waste. How many improper guns might there be in the fair?

tex

thetexan wrote:Let's pile on shall we.

For the forth year in a row I cc'd into the sw gate at the fair this last weekend. The girl with the wand...who looked and acted like she had little experience at this...waved her wand very haphazardly in the direction of each person with very few beeps. Those times it beeped she did nothing. When she came to me (I was prepared with my LTC) she got to within about one foot of my left side and didn't make any attempt to wand my right side where my Glock 19 Gen 4 (with new Trigicon sights, by the way, all polished up and looks so pretty....but I digress) was peacefully sleeping.

I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

What a waste. How many improper guns might there be in the fair?

tex

The whole thing is just for show, to try to appease the sheeple, that they are providing "security" I seriously doubt the the folks doing the wanding had a very extensive training course. Probably because even if they "detected" something, they weren't going to confront anyone.JMHO

thetexan wrote:Let's pile on shall we.

For the forth year in a row I cc'd into the sw gate at the fair this last weekend. The girl with the wand...who looked and acted like she had little experience at this...waved her wand very haphazardly in the direction of each person with very few beeps. Those times it beeped she did nothing. When she came to me (I was prepared with my LTC) she got to within about one foot of my left side and didn't make any attempt to wand my right side where my Glock 19 Gen 4 (with new Trigicon sights, by the way, all polished up and looks so pretty....but I digress) was peacefully sleeping.

I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

What a waste. How many improper guns might there be in the fair?

tex

What is an improper gun? Like an improper fraction?
In all seriousness, how many undetected firearms were used to hurt someone? Even if someone was carrying without a license, they did so in a manner that did not hurt anyone else or cause any sort of ruckus or was noticed by anyone else. I'm ok with that.

locke_n_load wrote: What is an improper gun? Like an improper fraction?
In all seriousness, how many undetected firearms were used to hurt someone? Even if someone was carrying without a license, they did so in a manner that did not hurt anyone else or cause any sort of ruckus or was noticed by anyone else. I'm ok with that.

I also wondered and let out a slight chuckle at that.

I think it is one without a round in the chamber.

C-dub wrote:

locke_n_load wrote: What is an improper gun? Like an improper fraction?
In all seriousness, how many undetected firearms were used to hurt someone? Even if someone was carrying without a license, they did so in a manner that did not hurt anyone else or cause any sort of ruckus or was noticed by anyone else. I'm ok with that.

I also wondered and let out a slight chuckle at that.

I think it is one without a round in the chamber.

Or perhaps rusty with a dirty barrel and action.

There are no improper guns, only guns not properly used.

.....for the children, and all that........

thetexan wrote: I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

kinda like these security guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR9E9ByqSoY

locke_n_load wrote:

thetexan wrote:Let's pile on shall we.

For the forth year in a row I cc'd into the sw gate at the fair this last weekend. The girl with the wand...who looked and acted like she had little experience at this...waved her wand very haphazardly in the direction of each person with very few beeps. Those times it beeped she did nothing. When she came to me (I was prepared with my LTC) she got to within about one foot of my left side and didn't make any attempt to wand my right side where my Glock 19 Gen 4 (with new Trigicon sights, by the way, all polished up and looks so pretty....but I digress) was peacefully sleeping.

I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

What a waste. How many improper guns might there be in the fair?

tex

What is an improper gun? Like an improper fraction?
In all seriousness, how many undetected firearms were used to hurt someone? Even if someone was carrying without a license, they did so in a manner that did not hurt anyone else or cause any sort of ruckus or was noticed by anyone else. I'm ok with that.

I'm not ok with people with guns without a license getting into an event where there is screening specifically meant to stop people from carrying in weapons that shouldn't have those weapons with the purpose of leaving the impression that security is preventing that. A lot of people are led to believe that the city of Dallas is providing a reasonably safe venue, free from illegal weapons. I'm not naive enough to believe that there might not be some bad LTC apples in the masses but every single illegal carrier is more likely to avoid following the law after having violated it in the first place by illegally carrying. In other words, I would rather be in a crowd of 1000 LTC carriers than 1000 illegal carriers. I think the odds of disaster is much greater with the latter.

Anyway, I agree, it must be intended as a show at security. Heck, most people at the fair don't even realize that the State Fair allows licensed carry. The fact that they don't allow open carry means they want to keep it under wraps.

HEY!!1 WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE!!!!! THEY DON'T ALLOW OPEN CARRY! Isn't that unlawful for the city of Dallas to prohibit open carry?

tex

thetexan wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:

thetexan wrote:Let's pile on shall we.

For the forth year in a row I cc'd into the sw gate at the fair this last weekend. The girl with the wand...who looked and acted like she had little experience at this...waved her wand very haphazardly in the direction of each person with very few beeps. Those times it beeped she did nothing. When she came to me (I was prepared with my LTC) she got to within about one foot of my left side and didn't make any attempt to wand my right side where my Glock 19 Gen 4 (with new Trigicon sights, by the way, all polished up and looks so pretty....but I digress) was peacefully sleeping.

I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

What a waste. How many improper guns might there be in the fair?

tex

What is an improper gun? Like an improper fraction?
In all seriousness, how many undetected firearms were used to hurt someone? Even if someone was carrying without a license, they did so in a manner that did not hurt anyone else or cause any sort of ruckus or was noticed by anyone else. I'm ok with that.

I'm not ok with people with guns without a license getting into an event where there is screening specifically meant to stop people from carrying in weapons that shouldn't have those weapons with the purpose of leaving the impression that security is preventing that. A lot of people are led to believe that the city of Dallas is providing a reasonably safe venue, free from illegal weapons. I'm not naive enough to believe that there might not be some bad LTC apples in the masses but every single illegal carrier is more likely to avoid following the law after having violated it in the first place by illegally carrying. In other words, I would rather be in a crowd of 1000 LTC carriers than 1000 illegal carriers. I think the odds of disaster is much greater with the latter.

Anyway, I agree, it must be intended as a show at security. Heck, most people at the fair don't even realize that the State Fair allows licensed carry. The fact that they don't allow open carry means they want to keep it under wraps.

HEY!!1 WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE!!!!! THEY DON'T ALLOW OPEN CARRY! Isn't that unlawful for the city of Dallas to prohibit open carry?

tex

You probably shouldn't fly then. TSA screening is even worse at detecting weapons. Don't ask me how I know. But let's say that a "friend" might have been unpacking his bag in his hotel room and he might possibly have been surprised to find something that he thought he had taken out of his bag, and which TSA was not supposed to allow on the plane.

If I see metal detectors and security screening, I assume that there will be criminals with weapons that easily make it past that screening. That's why I carry into those places, or avoid them if I cannot legally carry.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

thetexan wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:

thetexan wrote:Let's pile on shall we.

For the forth year in a row I cc'd into the sw gate at the fair this last weekend. The girl with the wand...who looked and acted like she had little experience at this...waved her wand very haphazardly in the direction of each person with very few beeps. Those times it beeped she did nothing. When she came to me (I was prepared with my LTC) she got to within about one foot of my left side and didn't make any attempt to wand my right side where my Glock 19 Gen 4 (with new Trigicon sights, by the way, all polished up and looks so pretty....but I digress) was peacefully sleeping.

I walked through and complained to the nearest cop who kinda grinned when I asked if he was aware of the ineffectiveness of the screening at the gate. "Yes", he said.

What a waste. How many improper guns might there be in the fair?

tex

What is an improper gun? Like an improper fraction?
In all seriousness, how many undetected firearms were used to hurt someone? Even if someone was carrying without a license, they did so in a manner that did not hurt anyone else or cause any sort of ruckus or was noticed by anyone else. I'm ok with that.

I'm not ok with people with guns without a license getting into an event where there is screening specifically meant to stop people from carrying in weapons that shouldn't have those weapons with the purpose of leaving the impression that security is preventing that. A lot of people are led to believe that the city of Dallas is providing a reasonably safe venue, free from illegal weapons. I'm not naive enough to believe that there might not be some bad LTC apples in the masses but every single illegal carrier is more likely to avoid following the law after having violated it in the first place by illegally carrying. In other words, I would rather be in a crowd of 1000 LTC carriers than 1000 illegal carriers. I think the odds of disaster is much greater with the latter.

Anyway, I agree, it must be intended as a show at security. Heck, most people at the fair don't even realize that the State Fair allows licensed carry. The fact that they don't allow open carry means they want to keep it under wraps.

HEY!!1 WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE!!!!! THEY DON'T ALLOW OPEN CARRY! Isn't that unlawful for the city of Dallas to prohibit open carry?

tex

You probably shouldn't fly then. TSA screening is even worse at detecting weapons. Don't ask me how I know. But let's say that a "friend" might have been unpacking his bag in his hotel room and he might possibly have been surprised to find something that he thought he had taken out of his bag, and which TSA was not supposed to allow on the plane.

If I see metal detectors and security screening, I assume that there will be criminals with weapons that easily make it past that screening. That's why I carry into those places, or avoid them if I cannot legally carry.

I just have to ask - how did your friend get the gun back home? Did he deliberately hide it a second time, assuming he wouldn't have had a lockable case to check it in his luggage.

I did not attend the fair but I had already made up my mind that if security failed to detect my weapon and mags I would proceed in as if I was just a regular patron. If nobody asks for my ID and can't detect that I am carrying I see no reason to bother any officer with the information. Only if security detected my weapon would I offer up ID and ask to see the officer. If I walk up to a store that isn't posted and an officer is outside I don't show him my LTC before I go in, why should the fair be any different if security doesn't detect my weapon?

The Annoyed Man wrote:There are no improper guns, only guns not properly used.

.....for the children, and all that........

Are you sure about that? What about Bryco-Jennings pistols?

C-dub wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:There are no improper guns, only guns not properly used.

.....for the children, and all that........

Are you sure about that? What about Bryco-Jennings pistols?

What do you mean by that remark? Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez guns are great .......................................................................paper weights.

puma guy wrote:

C-dub wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:There are no improper guns, only guns not properly used.

.....for the children, and all that........

Are you sure about that? What about Bryco-Jennings pistols?

What do you mean by that remark? Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez guns are great .......................................................................paper weights.

I roll on the floor corrected.

The Annoyed Man wrote:There are no improper guns, only guns not properly used.

.....for the children, and all that........

I see what you did here.