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montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am Congratulations on wanting to become a LTC instructor.

As I recall, the classroom is cold: no live firearms permitted.

I regret not bringing enough water, snacks, or lunch with me each day. Leaving the range is a project because the nearest food is a gas station 20 minutes away and it has very long lines.

Take plenty of note taking materials.

Be sure to bring extra ammunition - if you fail to score 90% or better, you will have to reshoot to qualify. Which brings me to: be sure you can shoot the qual. A surprisingly high number of students who were fast talking high speed billy badass cul-de-sac operators all week failed the shoot.

You have to qualify twice: once with semiauto and once with a revolver.

Dress comfortably and casually for class.

The thing I wish I knew before I went: you will have to not only reshoot to qualify every three years (major hassle finding another LTC instructor willing to do work with you) but you are also required to drive to Georgetown every three years and sit through a half day update course to maintain your instructor credentials. This content could easily be delivered online. But every instructor in the state must bear the burden of traveling to this event.

The DPS firearms instructors are outstanding, and the facility is top notch. Be sure to take some time to view the Texas Rangers memorial in the main hall area of the classroom building.

Have fun!

rob777 wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:33 am Agree... bring snacks and drinks, especially on range day; take notes; ask questions.
On the shooting qualification, it seemed several guys were only familiar with semi-autos and struggled with the revolver. We had more fail round 1 than I would've guessed. If you're in that camp you might want to get in a little practice with a revolver beforehand.
Good luck and have fun!

AJSully421 wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:33 am

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am Congratulations on wanting to become a LTC instructor.

As I recall, the classroom is cold: no live firearms permitted.

I regret not bringing enough water, snacks, or lunch with me each day. Leaving the range is a project because the nearest food is a gas station 20 minutes away and it has very long lines.

Take plenty of note taking materials.

Be sure to bring extra ammunition - if you fail to score 90% or better, you will have to reshoot to qualify. Which brings me to: be sure you can shoot the qual. A surprisingly high number of students who were fast talking high speed billy badass cul-de-sac operators all week failed the shoot.

You have to qualify twice: once with semiauto and once with a revolver.

Dress comfortably and casually for class.

The thing I wish I knew before I went: you will have to not only reshoot to qualify every three years (major hassle finding another LTC instructor willing to do work with you) but you are also required to drive to Georgetown every three years and sit through a half day update course to maintain your instructor credentials. This content could easily be delivered online. But every instructor in the state must bear the burden of traveling to this event.

The DPS firearms instructors are outstanding, and the facility is top notch. Be sure to take some time to view the Texas Rangers memorial in the main hall area of the classroom building.

Have fun!

All great info. Thanks!

I did not know about making a pilgrimage to Georgetown every so often... glad I am in Fort Worth and not Texarkana, Brownsville, El Paso, or Dalhart...

I was going to borrow a buddy’s revolver, but if I am having to do this often, I guess I need to bite the bullet and get something easier to qual with than my S&W 442...

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:13 am Another thing: most folks struggled with scoring. If you are not familiar with the scoring system or HOW to score 50 rounds, I recommend getting a B-27, shoot the qualification, and score using the 5-4-3-0 system on the upper left corner.

Bottom line is you need to know how to score and you will be tested on scoring. You will be expected to score the shooter's target next to you on the line. The key is to be systematic.

AJSully421 wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:00 am

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:13 am Another thing: most folks struggled with scoring. If you are not familiar with the scoring system or HOW to score 50 rounds, I recommend getting a B-27, shoot the qualification, and score using the 5-4-3-0 system on the upper left corner.

Bottom line is you need to know how to score and you will be tested on scoring. You will be expected to score the shooter's target next to you on the line. The key is to be systematic.

Perfect example of “things you wish you would have known before” Thanks!

Are you allowed to count down when scoring? As in, can you assume you have 50 holes and 250 points and then count down by 1 for a 4 zone, 2 for a 3 zone and so on?

At my last LTC (CHL) requal, there was a competition shooter who had 5-6 identifiable holes on his target. One big one, with only a few that were not touching the big one. Can’t count 50 holes that way...

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am As I recall, the classroom is cold: no live firearms permitted.

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am I regret not bringing enough water, snacks, or lunch with me each day. Leaving the range is a project because the nearest food is a gas station 20 minutes away and it has very long lines.

Take plenty of note taking materials.

Be sure to bring extra ammunition - if you fail to score 90% or better, you will have to reshoot to qualify. Which brings me to: be sure you can shoot the qual. A surprisingly high number of students who were fast talking high speed billy badass cul-de-sac operators all week failed the shoot.

You have to qualify twice: once with semiauto and once with a revolver.

Dress comfortably and casually for class.

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am The thing I wish I knew before I went: you will have to not only reshoot to qualify every three years (major hassle finding another LTC instructor willing to do work with you) but you are also required to drive to Georgetown every three years and sit through a half day update course to maintain your instructor credentials. This content could easily be delivered online. But every instructor in the state must bear the burden of traveling to this event.

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am The DPS firearms instructors are outstanding, and the facility is top notch. Be sure to take some time to view the Texas Rangers memorial in the main hall area of the classroom building.

Have fun!

jmorris wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:01 pm

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am As I recall, the classroom is cold: no live firearms permitted.

Don't remember this ever being discussed. I carried every day.

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am I regret not bringing enough water, snacks, or lunch with me each day. Leaving the range is a project because the nearest food is a gas station 20 minutes away and it has very long lines.

Take plenty of note taking materials.

Be sure to bring extra ammunition - if you fail to score 90% or better, you will have to reshoot to qualify. Which brings me to: be sure you can shoot the qual. A surprisingly high number of students who were fast talking high speed billy badass cul-de-sac operators all week failed the shoot.

You have to qualify twice: once with semiauto and once with a revolver.

Dress comfortably and casually for class.

Wholeheartedly agree with all this. The revolver is not that hard, people just make it that hard. I had plenty of time to cock and fire SA for every shot.

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am The thing I wish I knew before I went: you will have to not only reshoot to qualify every three years (major hassle finding another LTC instructor willing to do work with you) but you are also required to drive to Georgetown every three years and sit through a half day update course to maintain your instructor credentials. This content could easily be delivered online. But every instructor in the state must bear the burden of traveling to this event.

I thought it was every two years to cover just passed changes in laws.

montgomery wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 am The DPS firearms instructors are outstanding, and the facility is top notch. Be sure to take some time to view the Texas Rangers memorial in the main hall area of the classroom building.

Have fun!

Ditto and ditto.

Mike S wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:56 am .........

AJ,
The DPS Instructors will go over their scoring procedure as part of the class, prior to the practical exercise.

Step 1: Account for all 50 rounds. Just counting to ensure all 50 are there. (They do make allowances for what you described, where it's obvious several rounds went through one ragged hole. They will address this, & if they don't please ask the question for your own edification.). If any rounds were 'held' (meaning the shooter didn't fire for whatever reason), missed the green scoring area, or were fired after time elapsed you will need to deduct 5x points for each one at step 2. If there's a malfunction, the shooter must remediate on his/her own & complete the engagement within the time required (if not, anything after the buzzer/time elapsed won't count).

Step 2: Begin at 250 (possible points), then deduct any misses/held rounds/late rounds from step 1. Then deduct 1 point for anything inside the 8 ring. Then deduct 2 points for anything inside the 7 ring. (For scoring purposes, if the hole burns the line (actual hole breaks the line, not paper tears), it counts as the higher score area.). The remaining points is the shooter's score.

Hope this helps.