Show them the signs

[BenGoodLuck]

In Texas, we have what are known as 30.06 signs that anyone can post on their property and the signs serve to prohibit concealed weapon permit holders from bringing their weapons on the premises. They look like this:



We also have another sign that looks like this:



I was thinking that whenever we see the 30.06 sign, we should show a picture of the second sign to the premise owner and ask them if maybe they meant to put up the second sign. Maybe they don't want to prohibit all guns, just illegal ones. They'll see that they have another option and don't have to ban licensed carry permit holders from their property.

[WildBill]

The second sign applies only to businesses selling alcohol.

[Keith B]

Well, the only way they can put up the second sign is of they sell alcohol and are not a 51% location. And, if they DO sell alcohol, and not a 51% location they LEGALLY must put the second one up.

If a business puts up a valid 30.06 sign, then you can talk to them about it and try to convince them to remove it, but asking them to put up some other type of gun sign is going to fall on deaf ears IMO.

[74novaman]

If a business puts up a valid 30.06 sign, then you can talk to them about it and try to convince them to remove it, but asking them to put up some other type of gun sign is going to fall on deaf ears IMO.

Letting businesses who post 30.06 know why you won't be patronizing their business anymore is good policy.

Along the same note, if someone has up a "gun busters" type sign, or a printed sign saying "no guns allowed", I see no reason to inform them about the 30.06 sign and educate them on how to legally prohibit CHL holders from carrying.

[bigbang]

The second sign also applies to big ol knives and clubs.

[JP171]

The second sign also applies to big ol knives and clubs.

actually those are already illegal, the sign does not apply. read the section on prohibited weapons

[bigbang]

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

[JP171]

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

look here

PC §46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this Chapter

(1) “Club” means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.

(6) “Illegal knife” means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) “Knife” means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument

PC §46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device;
(9) a zip gun; or
(10) a tire deflation device.

so for these weapons 46.02 does NOT apply as they are illegal to be in possession so it superfluous to even begin to debate this, thank you have a nice day come again.

[WildBill]

I tried to carry a spear IWB. Ouch!!!

[Katygunnut]

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

look here

PC §46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this Chapter

(1) “Club” means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.

(6) “Illegal knife” means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) “Knife” means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument

PC §46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device;
(9) a zip gun; or
(10) a tire deflation device.

so for these weapons 46.02 does NOT apply as they are illegal to be in possession so it superfluous to even begin to debate this, thank you have a nice day come again.

I think Bigbang's point is that the sign changes the penalty associated with carrying these types of weapons. Technically, it puts one on notice that the penalty has changed. It doesn't actually change the penalty, I think. Either way, the signs do have an application with regard to the carrying of the weapons mentioned.

Thank you have a nice day come again.

[Kythas]

PC §46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this Chapter

(1) “Club” means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.

(6) “Illegal knife” means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) “Knife” means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument

PC §46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device;
(9) a zip gun; or
(10) a tire deflation device.

so for these weapons 46.02 does NOT apply as they are illegal to be in possession so it superfluous to even begin to debate this, thank you have a nice day come again.

Has this been repealed? I've been seeing signs at gun shows and at the Bullet Trap lately that say "Silencers are LEGAL! Ask me about them!"

[RPB]

PC §46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(4) a firearm silencer;


so for these weapons 46.02 does NOT apply as they are illegal to be in possession so it superfluous to even begin to debate this, thank you have a nice day come again.

Has this been repealed? I've been seeing signs at gun shows and at the Bullet Trap lately that say "Silencers are LEGAL! Ask me about them!"

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PC §46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS
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Sorry, didn't specifically mean a SCAR, just some other folding stock SBR. Did a lot of trading and saving to get that particular piece of zombie killer. Actually just got the Eotech Zombie red dot for it. Was mostly for fun but I do like the reticle and it was the same price as a plain boring Eotech. After 7 months of ATF infringement I just picked up a YHM suppressor as well so they wont hear me as easily, although a SBR 5.56 still barks even suppressed.

[rm9792]

Lots of things are illegal but have exceptions or defenses.

[C-dub]

Doesn't the second sign, Unlicensed Possession, also apply to long guns?

[apostate]

Doesn't the second sign, Unlicensed Possession, also apply to long guns?

I thought it referred to subsection (c) of 46.02 but perhaps there's something in the Alcoholic Beverage Code (or elsewhere) I missed.