Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

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Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby nimrod » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:22 pm

Retired and new to the sport I started looking for beginner training in the Austin/Bastrop area. Thought my experience might be of interest to other newbies. My only affiliation with these organizations is "customer".

1. "Beginner Pistol Class" mid-January at Central Texas Gun Works, Austin, TX: Class was overbooked (more than 10 students advertised in the class description); class did not cover all of the material in the description (no field-strip demo, did not shoot the described course of fire). The private range facility was very crowded as a function of its design, very little room between the firing line and a berm behind that making it difficult for non-shooting group to get clear and allow instructors to pass among shooters. The range is remote from the classroom requiring a 20-minute drive and re-group which forfeits time from the allocated class duration. Weather was cold but dry, I didn't see that the conditions should have affected the training at all. At all phases the instructors seem more interested in watching the clock than covering the material. Not an auspicious start for me, I won't be back.

2. "Basic Pistol 1" late-January at KR Training 'Range A' near Manheim/Lincoln, TX: Lead Instructor Karl Rehn. This session was everything positive that the CTGW experience was not. Great instructor : student ratio, good classroom facility adjacent to the well-arranged private range, covered all of the advertised material and more with plenty of attention and time given to individual students and their questions. A positive experience for sure, I signed-up for the next level course:

3. "Basic Pistol 2 (Defensive Pistol Essentials)" early-February again at KR Training 'Range A': Lead Instructor Tom Hogel. Another very positive experience. With more intensive range exercises this class had a 1-Instructor : 2-student ratio (not including the lead instructor) for very individualized attention with efficient class management. I'll definitely be looking at more training with these folks.

Lesson learned - if you don't have a good experience with a training outfit, find another. IMHO KR Training is evidence that there are good schools out there that are more interested in your education as a shooter than your wallet as a revenue source.

Though I don't have comparative experience I'd like to mention Lone Star Gun Range near Lockhart, TX. On my first non-shooting recon of the place (a very busy Sunday) owner Sandy Billingsley took lots of time to patiently explain 'how it all works' to this Nimrod. As a retiree who wants to practice a lot on weekdays without a crowd, the 'annual member' package, friendly staff, friendly and safety-conscious weekday customers all very close to home has been great. I don't have a comparison because this range works so good for me I've not been interested in driving a long way to shop, and I don't feel I'm compromising anything.


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Re: Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby The Badger531 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:30 am

Can U provide us With Some Web Links To the GOOD Sites U Mentioned Inquireing Minds Wanna Know More Through Their WebSites

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Re: Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby AF-Odin » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:07 am

Concur with your experiences at KR. Karl is a great instructor and his facilities are very good.. i have taken two different instructor courses from him and will take more in the future
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Re: Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby E.Marquez » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:33 am

The Badger531 wrote:Can U provide us With Some Web Links To the GOOD Sites U Mentioned Inquireing Minds Wanna Know More Through Their WebSites

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http://www.krtraining.com/whatclass.html
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Re: Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby nimrod » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:27 am

The Badger531 wrote:Can U provide us With Some Web Links To the GOOD Sites U Mentioned Inquireing Minds Wanna Know More Through Their WebSites

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E. Marquez got the KR Training site above. Lone Star Gun Range website is http://www.lonestargunrange.com/


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Re: Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby Salty1 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:32 am

Your initial experience unfortunately is not uncommon. Many people call themselves instructors because they took a course or two and feel that they can teach when their only true goal is to make money, this is why one will see overbooked classes. Effectively instructing students who want to learn requires different skillsets and people skills that starts with organization, overbooking is not being organized.

One flag that I always use is to make sure that they have their own range and not an "independent instructor" that way it is reserved for the class. Otherwise you just go to a public range that tends to be quite busy on weekends and the "class" is just fit into the normal range routine.

Research and word of mouth is your friend when it comes to training and cheap costs are typically that for a reason. Top quality instructors do not have to discount their prices to get customers, if I see people utilizing Groupon it tells me that they are desperate for customers.

Good luck and best wishes with your ongoing training.........


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Re: Beginner Training Experiences: CTGW vs KR Training

Postby stroo » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:04 pm

I took a class from KR as well. It was very well done and informative. Great class and good facilities. I wish they were closer to Dallas.


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