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by jmorris
Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Sign Changes - why?
Replies: 13
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Re: Sign Changes - why?

chasfm11 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:43 am ........
If I'm correct and the TABC signs are being used to force submission by the unknowing public, the TABC SHOULD care. Any time a government agency's name and power are used, it should be done accurately. I see no difference between the scam phone calls that I get with people who claim to be police officers ready to arrest me if I don't pay a jury duty fine (that doesn't exist) and mis-representing the TABC's administrative code. In the example of the blue versus red signs, the TABC is responsible to see that the proper one is used. The "Unlicensed" firearm statement is the same.

Regarding why the gas station is ignoring taking down the red sign, I have my own opinion but expressing it would violate this forum's rules. I admit that the inside store is well stocked with beer but the gas pumps are fairly busy and I cannot believe that they are outweighed by the beer sales.
YMMV but twice this week I was in establishments with blue signs and had the opportunity to speak to the managers. Both times went something like...

Me: Were you aware that the blue signs are no longer valid and not required?
Him: What signs??
M: The TABC blue unlicensed carry signs on the door.
H: (Reads sign) Why not?
M: Explains
H: Guess when we're not busy I'll get someone to scrape it off.

Now, that's only two out of 10s of thousands but....

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
John Halon
by jmorris
Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Sign Changes - why?
Replies: 13
Views: 6591

Re: Sign Changes - why?

chasfm11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:32 am
JustSomeOldGuy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:18 am TABC 61.11 was repealed by passage of HB1927, so the joke's on them (Sprouts, Whole Foods, etc.) and their sign vendor......
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Perhaps not. The joke is really on the Texas public as the businesses enforce laws that don't exist - and get away with it. TABC seems to diowhat it wants to do. Back when OC came out, a number of businesses posted a 30.07 sign saying that they could lose their alcohol license over an incident where the police were called because someone showed up with a visible gun. An owner told me that they were required to report police calls and it was up to TABC whether any action was taken against the business. He said that hew wasn't going to take that risk. He was personally a "gun guy" and I didn't believe that he was the type to make that kind of stuff up.
The blue sign is an unenforceable sign that means nothing, does not exist in law anymore, and has no penalty for displaying so why would they bother to put effort into removing them? And why would TABC care about a sign that means nothing? When they become ratty or the window space is needed for something else they'll come down.
chasfm11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:32 am I will say that TABC's enforcement of their own rules seems lax. I reported a gas station for posting a 51% sign two years ago and that sign is still there. The website said gun sign = blue, not red. Giien everything else that is going on in Texas politics now, I hope that you will forgive me if I believe the conspiracy theory that the administrative part of the government like TABC and CPS are out to undermine the Legislature whenever they can. I saw the same kind of 61.11 signage at Texas Motor Speedway so its use is pretty universal.
My experience has been the opposite. I've reported four businesses and they've all took down the 51%. At one restaurant I mentioned it to a manager and from his waffle I got the idea they didn't want the big 06/07 signs so put up the 51%. When TABC notified me of the outcome the comment from the restaurant was "fine, we'll put up the 06/07 signs".

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