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TLynnHughes wrote:

marksiwel wrote:So I heard about the plane crash from a co-worker, called wife, asked her what was going on downtown (she by the capital) asked her if it was time to "bug out" she said, wait and see.
If it was Bug out time, I'm going to 'The Gun Store" and getting a Shotgun or a AR ASAP and a bunch of mags and ammo.
Then I'm stopping by the gas station and filling up all my Gas cans. then we are going to Possum Kingdom area where wife's family has cabin hid away.

I was worried it might be a Crop Duster.

So does this count as a terrorist act? Will the IRS agent get Terrorism money or just Job Accident money.

I wouldn't wait until bug out time to get the shotgun. You're probably not the only one with that idea.

T.

I realize we are just talking hypothetically, but you just gave some very good advice...

Keith B wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:LOL...yeah...Tiger took the headlines today. My guess is the story isn't as enticing because the only dead person was the pilot. But Tiger Woods apologizing is some real serious business.

There were two killed; the pilot and one person in the building. Two additional were injured.

Oh my...I am real sorry to hear that. I knew there were 2 injured but had not picked up on the second one killed. I have not been watching the news much today and yesterday. Thanks for letting me know. Was that the person who they were referring to as missing yesterday?

LOL...yeah...Tiger took the headlines today. My guess is the story isn't as enticing because the only dead person was the pilot. But Tiger Woods apologizing is some real serious business.

I would think that the random act of violence as a reprisal or to gain temporary riches would not qualify as true terrorism. I went ahead and used my best Google-Foo and came up with the standard definition of terrorism.

terrorism (usually uncountable; plural terrorisms)

1. The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda.
2. Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives.
3. A psychological strategy of war for gaining political or religious ends by deliberately creating a climate of fear among the population of a state.


One thing I found in common with all definitions was the political agenda part. This would indicate that random acts of violence for revenge or personal gain don't qualify.

austinrealtor wrote:

PUCKER wrote:Not to be at all callous with this tragedy, but that's something I was wondering about too, mine is supposed to go through electronically tonight or next Friday.

SmoothFox wrote:So does this mean my refund will be delayed?

Austin Statesman today mentioned that this office houses a lot of auditors and people who work in that type of capacity and that no tax returns were processed there in any way.

I was hoping maybe some of my files got roasted in the fire.

While I agree Jim that this is obviously a criminal act, I disagree with who it is that is muddling things up. During the Bush administration there was absolutely no question about what a terrorist was. Your man Odumbell started the confusion to gain political power. It cracks me up that you would try to blame this on Bush too. It is actually getting real old. Give it up already.

I think it all boils down to intent. Is the nut job that get's fired by his employer and goes back later to shoot them all a terrorist? No...not really... he was just some dude who lost it over the desperation felt by losing his job.

I think we have to be real careful about throwing around the "T" word or we risk trivializing the meaning of the word. But then again, I associate a true terrorist with someone representing a group or organization. Tim McVeigh did represent a cause as did the 9/11 actors. The Christmas underwear guy was representing a group cause also. The IRS guy was simply seeking payback. He does not represent any group or cause, other than his own selfish motivations.

Let me put it another way. If Bullet Trap takes away my membership and kicks me out because I rapid fire at the range, so I fly an airplane into the place, am I a terrorist or am just a guy who flipped out because I felt like they did me wrong? That is how I perceive what this guy did with the IRS. It was an individual act carried out over selfish motivations. I don't think we want to define terrorism in a way that includes any attempt at mass murder. That would trivialize true terrorist groups to the point of not taking them seriously enough. Which I believe is the true goal of the pacifist regime our country is presently under. That is why this debate is happening. We knew darn good and well what a terrorist was and wasn't 1 and 1/2 years ago. The obamamaniacs are trying to persuade us all to hug a terrorist and understand them. But first they have to change our definition of terrorist. By blurring the lines, they create acceptance.

The real question would be, what is the definition of terrorist? To me a terrorist would usually be someone trying to affect change by instilling terror in the minds of those the terrorist is attempting to influence. So the next question for me would be, was this guy trying to affect change, or was this guy simply extracting revenge on those he believed had injured him? I am leaning towards the revenge explanation with this guy. He was probably so desperate that he was going to kill himself anyway, then he decided to take some of his perceived enemies with him. I dunno...I am thinking this guy wasn't a terrorist. I think he was just a guy who lost it when put under pressure.

SmoothFox wrote:So does this mean my refund will be delayed?

LOL.... ... I don't plan to pay them what I owe until after I have exhausted all my legal delays in October, so you weren't going to get it back for a while anyway.

austinrealtor wrote: 1. What happened today was terrorism. It was not "almost" terrorism or nearly terrorism. It was as much terrorism as an Arab/Muslim extremist strapping a bomb to themself and blowing up a pizza parlor in Israel. Joseph Andrew Stack will reside for the rest of eternity in the same growing corner of Purgatory occupied by the 9/11 hijackers, Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, the Virginia Tech killer, the Fort Hood shooter, and countless others. Regardless of how you feel about the IRS or anything else, what this man did was pure evil.

AMAN TO THAT!!!

I have as much contempt for the IRS as the next guy, especially considering the Socialist regime it is presently supporting, but to resort to violence of this nature is just flat out unacceptable. Maybe I am reading some of the posts wrong here but if your posting up that this is somehow justified and this forum is allowing this opinion to be posted, I don't want to hear any crud from the mods around here when I talk of walking past a 30:06 sign.