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WTR wrote:

J.R.@A&M wrote:

WTR wrote:

J.R.@A&M wrote:

MechAg94 wrote:

Allons wrote:

cdwieg wrote:I have not stayed current on all of the news coming from the Santa Fe shooting. However, I did read an article (linked below) where the father was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. He (the father) indicated his kid was a "good boy" but he had been bullied and "mistreated at the school". From the article, "Antonios Pagourtzis wouldn’t comment in his interview with the Journal on how his son acquired the weapons."

This is on the parents as much as it is on the kid. Lock up the guns and ammo and the percentages and probability of the shooting goes way down. You want to tighten the gun laws... put it on the parents to be responsible enough to lock up the guns if they have anyone in their house - minor or otherwise.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/father-of- ... 1526920563

If these weapons were locked up and secured this could have been prevented.

Well........maybe.

How many people with gun safes would lock their guns up to prevent their 17 year old from getting access? Unless the 17 year old was known to have issues, I doubt most people would. The 17 year old may even know the combination in most cases. On the site, we have congratulated teenagers who have used their parents guns to defend themselves at home. I don't think requiring guns to be locked up will prevent the next similar tragedy.

I would. "Normal" teenage thinking and emotions are variable and unpredictable, at least in my parenting experience. While I don't think my kids are suicidal, I am not going to risk finding out after the fact. The issue is moot while I have a sub-14 year old in the house anyway, as I think it's criminal negligence to let under age children potentially access a firearm. Hence my non-carried guns are locked up in a safe, and I alone have the key.

This is not the way I grew up. There were between 20 and 30 firearms (mostly .22s and deer rifles) in the house that I grew up in.

What do you consider an" under age child" ?

When I wrote that I was thinking whatever age that Texas criminalizes unsupervised access, and I thought it was 14. But it looks like from Texas Penal Code 46.13 it's age 17 (specifically involving child access to loaded firearms).

Interesting, we trust a kid with a multi- ton vehicle at 15 and 16 years of age, but not a firearm.

WTR wrote:

J.R.@A&M wrote:

MechAg94 wrote:

Allons wrote:

cdwieg wrote:I have not stayed current on all of the news coming from the Santa Fe shooting. However, I did read an article (linked below) where the father was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. He (the father) indicated his kid was a "good boy" but he had been bullied and "mistreated at the school". From the article, "Antonios Pagourtzis wouldn’t comment in his interview with the Journal on how his son acquired the weapons."

This is on the parents as much as it is on the kid. Lock up the guns and ammo and the percentages and probability of the shooting goes way down. You want to tighten the gun laws... put it on the parents to be responsible enough to lock up the guns if they have anyone in their house - minor or otherwise.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/father-of- ... 1526920563

If these weapons were locked up and secured this could have been prevented.

Well........maybe.

How many people with gun safes would lock their guns up to prevent their 17 year old from getting access? Unless the 17 year old was known to have issues, I doubt most people would. The 17 year old may even know the combination in most cases. On the site, we have congratulated teenagers who have used their parents guns to defend themselves at home. I don't think requiring guns to be locked up will prevent the next similar tragedy.

I would. "Normal" teenage thinking and emotions are variable and unpredictable, at least in my parenting experience. While I don't think my kids are suicidal, I am not going to risk finding out after the fact. The issue is moot while I have a sub-14 year old in the house anyway, as I think it's criminal negligence to let under age children potentially access a firearm. Hence my non-carried guns are locked up in a safe, and I alone have the key.

This is not the way I grew up. There were between 20 and 30 firearms (mostly .22s and deer rifles) in the house that I grew up in.

What do you consider an" under age child" ?

MechAg94 wrote:

Allons wrote:

cdwieg wrote:I have not stayed current on all of the news coming from the Santa Fe shooting. However, I did read an article (linked below) where the father was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. He (the father) indicated his kid was a "good boy" but he had been bullied and "mistreated at the school". From the article, "Antonios Pagourtzis wouldn’t comment in his interview with the Journal on how his son acquired the weapons."

This is on the parents as much as it is on the kid. Lock up the guns and ammo and the percentages and probability of the shooting goes way down. You want to tighten the gun laws... put it on the parents to be responsible enough to lock up the guns if they have anyone in their house - minor or otherwise.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/father-of- ... 1526920563

If these weapons were locked up and secured this could have been prevented.

Well........maybe.

How many people with gun safes would lock their guns up to prevent their 17 year old from getting access? Unless the 17 year old was known to have issues, I doubt most people would. The 17 year old may even know the combination in most cases. On the site, we have congratulated teenagers who have used their parents guns to defend themselves at home. I don't think requiring guns to be locked up will prevent the next similar tragedy.

Beiruty wrote:

troglodyte wrote:I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/