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by A-R
Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:05 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

sjfcontrol wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:He was banned for four reasons; 1) violation of the rule against general "COP-bashing;" 2) making a personal attack against a fellow Member; 3) responding equally inappropriately to a warning PM sent by a Moderator; and 4) then changing his email address to a bogus one with a fictitious profane domain name. Obviously, he didn't want to remain a Member.

I too am sorry about his personal attack gigag04.

Chas.
Hmmmm, sounds like "Suicide by Moderator" to me! :biggrinjester:
"rlol"

that's good

Thanks as always to mods, Chas, etc for keeping this forum courteous as can be. :tiphat:

And to GigAg and all other current and former LEOs who contribute to this site - thanks as always for your informed and professional insights

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by A-R
Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:18 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 76361

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

seamusTX wrote:Trying to stay on topic here, search for Erik Scott, Las Vegas, shooting. Only local Las Vegas media and RKBA forums seem to care. Otherwise it is just another police shooting of a "suspect," which happens several times a day in the U.S.

That's depressing, but not surprising. In the national media's mindset, what is the difference between this case and the Amadou Diallo case?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With NYPD plainclothes approaching, Diallo reached into his pocket and pulled out an object (turned out to be his wallet) and was obscured by darkness, backlit by an interior hallway light behind him. An NYPD plainclothes officer didn't remember the four rules, and fired off a round when he tripped on a curb because his finger was not properly indexed. The officers were charged but later acquitted. The Diallo family sued for $61 million and settled for $3 million. The media had a field day with this case, countless politicians, activists, singers and other Hollywood types denounced the NYPD.

Scott either did or did not reach for something. There may or may not be video evidence. This shooting occured in broad daylight. Some reports say he had sunglasses in his hands when he fell from the first volley of shots fired by LVPD.

Differences:
black-skinned man in city vs. white-skinned man in suburbs
night time vs. daytime
no video vs. video that may or may not be available
deceased reached for something when cops approached, but did not have a gun vs. deceased may or may not have reached for something, but DID have a gun

Seems to me the media has already convicted Scott - guilty by association with guns. What if Scott had NOT been carrying that day? What if he had an empty holster or just a cell phone or something else that made the Costco employees freak out. What if he was "unarmed" when he was shot? Is Scott's case dismissed by unthinking media because "well he had a gun on him, he probably did something to deserve it"?

If a video proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Scott DID NOT reach for anything and DID NOT have a gun in his hands at the time he was shot, will this change the media's perception of this story? Will it be too little too late? Or will the media just continue to say - "he had a gun on him, so what if it wasn't in his hands when they shot him"
by A-R
Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:31 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 76361

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Charles L. Cotton wrote:The sad fact is, if the officers had followed the standard procedure Excalibur set out, this never would have happened.
I'd also like to thank Excaliber for his excellent insight into these types of situations. As well as you, Charles, and Wild Bill for info from the legal/aftermath angles. Really helps us all understand these situations a bit better to have such excellent expert guidance. [/quote]
Charles L. Cotton wrote:One thing is certain; I'll never step foot in Nevada again, unless it is business related and absolutely necessary.

Chas.
Charles, curious if you think this could end up leading to an NRA action or stance? Meaning if it's shown that the police over-reacted, could NRA come down hard on Las Vegas with some sort of protest or boycott? How many million NRA members? That's a lot of lost revenue in the slot machines.

Before I write this next question, I want to state unequivocally that I am NOT in ANY WAY trying to add a racial element to this discussion, merely comparing the hypothetical reactions of different large national political organizations .... that caveat being said, you can bet if the victim had been a young black man the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc would be calling for a boycott of Las Vegas - regardless of whether it is determined the police actually over-reacted.
by A-R
Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:57 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 76361

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

seamusTX wrote:I agree that this incident should be investigated by a disinterested agency. Probably the family will file a federal lawsuit in the morning.

- Jim
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by A-R
Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:07 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 76361

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Beiruty wrote:If this guy was killed and his CCW is holstered, those who shot him should be tried as Murderers.
I think it's a bit early for that. Let's take Keith B's advice and wait to see what a video camera might show.

I'm personally very torn on this. On one hand, I can obviously empathize with the CHL holder's plight in this case. That's no way to go out. But on the other hand, the police show up to a call about "man with gun" and perhaps the guy whips around, startled by the sound of the cops yelling, perhaps his cover shirt blows open, revealing the gun, realizing this perhaps the CHLee grabs at his shirt instinctively trying to reconceal? .... put yourself in the cops' shoes, would you fire at that point? I mean, do you have to see the muzzle of the "bad guy's" gun before you open fire? Remember this is all happening in the blink of an eye.

Seamus is right. CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED. Someone at that Costco spotted this guy's gun and called the police. Did they over-react? It would seem to all of us, who are well-versed in legal concealed carry, that they did. But again, try on the Costco employee's shoes. All you know is there is a man with a gun in your store. You don't know if he's a "good guy" or "bad guy". And of course some stock boy on the floor probably saw it, reported to a floor manager, who reported to an assistant manager, who reported to the head manager in charge, who calls 911, who contacts dispatch, who contacts the officers .... and somewhere in that chain of conversation perhaps the "crazy man breaking stuff and waving a gun" gets embelished into the discussion.

Also think OP is correct, if cops have their guns trained on you move VERY SLOWLY and raise your hands above your head and obey their commands precisely.

And again, even with all those caveats, this is still an awful tragedy for the dead man's family, regardless of why or who is to blame.
by A-R
Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:47 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 76361

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

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by A-R
Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:46 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 76361

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

This is awful ....

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