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CC Italian wrote:True taking the chance to lose your job is a personal one. C-dub I forgot about the oral notification also. I have never had a job where I was orally notified but that is true.

The oral notification thing is harder for the employer to prove, but still there. That is why some, I know mine does, documents who is at certain meetings and might even record meetings in order to verify who was or was not present.

CC Italian wrote:

alexrex20 wrote:So to be certain, because the signs use the old text, that means any non-employee can carry without legal consequence? What if the cops arrive anyway? All they have to do is show that the sign is incorrect?

This is in a decidedly gun-friendly part of town.

Employee or non-employee it doesn't matter. The sign is not legal! Just because the sign is not correct doesn't mean a cop won't arrest you. There have been many people wrongfully arrested and acquitted after the fact. It could cost you attorney fees and a horrid headache if the officer decided to take you in.

True, but a non-employee doesn't have to factor in the possibility of losing their job.

Also, the hospital would discover their error and post the correct version and would likely orally tell whoever they called the police for in the first place that they were prohibited from bringing a gun inside.

BTW, that also goes for you. If you are orally told by a supervisor, manager, or administrator that you cannot carry inside then you too have been sufficiently notified.

alexrex20 wrote:So to be certain, because the signs use the old text, that means any non-employee can carry without legal consequence? What if the cops arrive anyway? All the citizen has to do is show that the sign is incorrect?

This is in a decidedly gun-friendly part of town.

That's a toss-up. If the LEO is up on his CHL laws whoever they were called for will probably be let go without any further problems. However, if not, the poor law abiding CHL soul will take a ride and shell out some coin to get it all cleared up. The hospital will not be out any money and any civil case against them would have an ice cube's chance in Hades of getting anywhere if one cold even find a lawyer to take the case.

But, yes, a non-employee is technically free from prosecution due to the invalidity of this posting.

alexrex20 wrote:

C-dub wrote:I also don't see any Spanish version.

It's really hard to make it out, but the Spanish version is directly under the English, albeit in smaller lettering.

Ah, I wasn't sure and thought that might have been a reflection or something.

alexrex20 wrote:I don't plan on carrying while at work. I just thought it was a bit fishy. I see how it could easily be missed by visitors, or even easily disputed if anyone got "caught."

And yes, it's posted like this at all entrances.

Ignorant employers and possibly even more ignorant lawyers advising the employer. I have, however, wondered if it could be a sly lawyer advising employers like this to post an obsolete sign to keep law abiding CHL holders from any real trouble.

However, whatever you do, please do not inform anyone that could or would inform the employer of their incorrect sign. For us non-employees, we will continue to carry there because we are not worried about being fired by them.

I also don't see any Spanish version.

I'm not certain because of the glare, but I also think it refers to the old Vernon Code, which makes the text incorrect. So, size and contrasting elements aside, it should not get you into any real trouble with the law. It could still get you fired if discovered.