McAllen: U.S. Customs agent arrested after bar shooting

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WildBill wrote:
seamusTX wrote:I don't suppose testosterone was involved. - Jim
IMO, this is the main reason for existence of the 51% Sign.
This can be represented by the algebraic expressions:
Testosterone + Ethanol = Trouble
Testosterone + Ethanol + Guns = Big Trouble
It sounds like their was a 4th component that made it really big trouble, especially for the homocide victim.

Imagine if it was a construction worker who got into a bar fight, went out to his truck, grabbed a gun, and shot the bar owner.
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WildBill wrote:IMO, this is the main reason for existence of the 51% Sign.
I'm sure that's the thinking, but it's the typical legislative attitude that they can control crime by restricting the activities of law-abiding people.

The Galveston police busted up a bar where drugs were allegedly being sold. Half the people that they searched had weapons, or illegal drugs, or both, or open warrants; and a couple were illegal aliens. I thought that was a pretty impressive clientele.

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If there were any law-abiding people in that bar, they most have freaked out when they saw the armaments. Maybe they applied for their CHL the next morning.
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baldeagle wrote:I want to be clear. I do not think what the customs agent did was right. In fact, I think he is the reason the bar owner is dead (not for the obvious reason that he's the one who shot him but because he may have precipitated the incident and pushed it to the point that the bar owner's death occurred.) I was just speculating that he may have a legal window to slip through that will keep him from being convicted. I think his case will come down to the jury and what they think of him and his actions. If he was in the middle of the fight, that's different than if he was trying to separate his brother from the others. The articles don't say, so that testimony will be critical to the outcome.
None of us has all of the facts. You are correct that he may have a defense. However, my issue is that if he had the opportunity to get the weapon out of the truck/car, maybe he had the opportunity to just get in and lock the door. I was not there so it may not be the case.

Sad as this is it reinforces the fact that weapons, bars, and alcohol do not mix very well.
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baldeagle wrote:If there were any law-abiding people in that bar, they most have freaked out when they saw the armaments. Maybe they applied for their CHL the next morning.
I knew of that bar (I think they lost their license as a result of that incident). I have nothing generous to say about anyone who would willingly go there. If it wasn't the illegal drugs, it was the fights and "working girls."
i8godzilla wrote:... my issue is that if he had the opportunity to get the weapon out of the truck/car, maybe he had the opportunity to just get in and lock the door. I was not there so it may not be the case.
If he were alone, I would be the first to agree. However, he was there with his wife and another person. You just don't bail out on your wife.

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