SB11 & HB910 This week....

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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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v7a wrote:
safety1 wrote:If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter?
Let's get rid of the 4th Amendment then. If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind the police searching your car or home. Better yet, let's get rid of the right to an attorney. If you're innocent, you don't need one. :patriot:
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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safety1 wrote:
v7a wrote:
safety1 wrote:If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter?
Let's get rid of the 4th Amendment then. If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind the police searching your car or home. Better yet, let's get rid of the right to an attorney. If you're innocent, you don't need one. :patriot:
If you don't like it, call your senator and ask them to vote against it. Progress is progress in my book.
Nice dodge, but that's not what I was responding to. I was talking about your juvenile understanding of our freedoms. Presumably you support a national gun registry. After all, you're not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide.

I fully agree that if passing HB910 requires removing the amendment then that's the best course of action. That doesn't change the fact that the "if you have nothing to hide" argument is bull.
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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steveincowtown wrote:
safety1 wrote: If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter? Show proof and move on, it's really that easy.
We come back in 2 years and get it removed.
Because freedom. :txflag:

I was at Crawfish boil a few weeks ago and a younger guy was saying the same thing. I told him that I was going to ask to see his ID every time I ran into him at the party, but ONLY if he had a beer in his hand. After about the 10th time having his ID "checked" he understood my point.
So don't advance our 2A rights, because your hyper concerned about your 4A rights :confused5
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NotRPB wrote:http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/op ... men/nmJYB/
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By Chuck Lindell - American-Statesman Staff


A bill allowing for openly carried handguns will be stripped of a House amendment that bans police stops to check for concealed handgun licenses when the legislation is considered by a Senate committee Monday, the bill’s Senate sponsor told the American-Statesman.

Sen. Craig Estes, R-Wichita Falls, said the amendment will be removed from House Bill 910 at the request of Sen. Joan Huffman, R-Houston, who is chairwoman of the State Affairs Committee.

So that it can pass possibly ...

If the take away here is the House will move forward with SB11, I'll take the trade.
I don't have a problem with a LEO checking, it's a feel good thing in my opinion and will not be as big an issue as some think.
If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter? Show proof and move on, it's really that easy.
We come back in 2 years and get it removed.

Are you OK with them detaining you long enough to call it in or run it through their computer system to make sure it's still valid? What about patting you down while they are at it? Well, they are there so why not search your vehicle? How about run your gun serial number to see if it is stolen? Don't forget, calling for the drug dog to sniff because your allergies are causing your eyes to be red? What if you get nervous and they take that as you hiding something?

What appears to be an innocent no big deal encounter can turn bad in a snap without valid justification.

I understand removing it in order to get it moving but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's no big deal if we have nothing to hide.
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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safety1 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
safety1 wrote: If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter? Show proof and move on, it's really that easy.
We come back in 2 years and get it removed.
Because freedom. :txflag:

I was at Crawfish boil a few weeks ago and a younger guy was saying the same thing. I told him that I was going to ask to see his ID every time I ran into him at the party, but ONLY if he had a beer in his hand. After about the 10th time having his ID "checked" he understood my point.
So don't advance our 2A rights, because your hyper concerned about your 4A rights :confused5
I don't think anyone is saying that.
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TXBO wrote:
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NotRPB wrote:‏@chucklindell now50 seconds ago

#HB910 will be substituted to REMOVE House amendment banning police stops solely to check CHL for open carry, @EstesForTexas says. #txlege
That's a bummer, but if the police want to waste my time I am happy to waste theirs. Also, I think with OC, that I will be better protected, I'm sure they will follow OCers around in the beginning to hassle them. It's OK, with all the police following me around I think they might actually be around when you need them or better yet with OC and Police presence there will likely be no trouble in the first place.

I feel safer already. Let's hope OC final makes it through the process!
I'd like the amendment to stay buy if I'm in a place with a large LEO presence, I'm most likely concealed anyway.
I think the idea is that if you OC you will attract a large LEO presence more so if they feel they can hassle you into not OCing. Im gonna give them my itinerary for the day and hopefully get a VIP police escort around town. That's what I call service. Of course I'm trying to make the best of a bad deal and it really is a bummer they removed the amendment.
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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v7a wrote:
safety1 wrote:
v7a wrote:
safety1 wrote:If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter?
Let's get rid of the 4th Amendment then. If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind the police searching your car or home. Better yet, let's get rid of the right to an attorney. If you're innocent, you don't need one. :patriot:
If you don't like it, call your senator and ask them to vote against it. Progress is progress in my book.
Nice dodge, but that's not what I was responding to. I was talking about your juvenile understanding of our freedoms. Presumably you support a national gun registry. After all, you're not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide.
Very presumptuous on your part regarding a national gun registry, but you are wrong. If you think my opinion is juvenile, your welcome to that opinion.
I FULLY understand our freedoms...served to defend them. Have you?
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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mojo84 wrote:
safety1 wrote:
NotRPB wrote:http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/op ... men/nmJYB/
in part:

By Chuck Lindell - American-Statesman Staff


A bill allowing for openly carried handguns will be stripped of a House amendment that bans police stops to check for concealed handgun licenses when the legislation is considered by a Senate committee Monday, the bill’s Senate sponsor told the American-Statesman.

Sen. Craig Estes, R-Wichita Falls, said the amendment will be removed from House Bill 910 at the request of Sen. Joan Huffman, R-Houston, who is chairwoman of the State Affairs Committee.

So that it can pass possibly ...

If the take away here is the House will move forward with SB11, I'll take the trade.
I don't have a problem with a LEO checking, it's a feel good thing in my opinion and will not be as big an issue as some think.
If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter? Show proof and move on, it's really that easy.
We come back in 2 years and get it removed.

Are you OK with them detaining you long enough to call it in or run it through their computer system to make sure it's still valid? What about patting you down while they are at it? Well, they are there so why not search your vehicle? How about run your gun serial number to see if it is stolen? Don't forget, calling for the drug dog to sniff because your allergies are causing your eyes to be red? What if you get nervous and they take that as you hiding something?

What appears to be an innocent no big deal encounter can turn bad in a snap without valid justification.

I understand removing it in order to get it moving but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's no big deal if we have nothing to hide.
1. Yes on the first question.
2. Why would you need to be patted down, you obviously have a weapon in plan sight.
3. Under what reasons would your vehicle need to be searched?
this can go on and on and on. both ways!

I'm done with this issue, I don't have a problem with it...and that's my opinion!
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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safety1 wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
safety1 wrote:
NotRPB wrote:http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/op ... men/nmJYB/
in part:

By Chuck Lindell - American-Statesman Staff


A bill allowing for openly carried handguns will be stripped of a House amendment that bans police stops to check for concealed handgun licenses when the legislation is considered by a Senate committee Monday, the bill’s Senate sponsor told the American-Statesman.

Sen. Craig Estes, R-Wichita Falls, said the amendment will be removed from House Bill 910 at the request of Sen. Joan Huffman, R-Houston, who is chairwoman of the State Affairs Committee.

So that it can pass possibly ...

If the take away here is the House will move forward with SB11, I'll take the trade.
I don't have a problem with a LEO checking, it's a feel good thing in my opinion and will not be as big an issue as some think.
If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter? Show proof and move on, it's really that easy.
We come back in 2 years and get it removed.

Are you OK with them detaining you long enough to call it in or run it through their computer system to make sure it's still valid? What about patting you down while they are at it? Well, they are there so why not search your vehicle? How about run your gun serial number to see if it is stolen? Don't forget, calling for the drug dog to sniff because your allergies are causing your eyes to be red? What if you get nervous and they take that as you hiding something?

What appears to be an innocent no big deal encounter can turn bad in a snap without valid justification.

I understand removing it in order to get it moving but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's no big deal if we have nothing to hide.
1. Yes on the first question.
2. Why would you need to be patted down, you obviously have a weapon in plan sight.
3. Under what reasons would your vehicle need to be searched?
this can go on and on and on. both ways!

I'm done with this issue, I don't have a problem with it...and that's my opinion!

Didn't mean to make you mad. Was just curious where you draw the line. Did you not see the video of the guy stopped in Florida? He advised them he had a chl and was carrying. Almost all the above happened to him.
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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....

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safety1 wrote:
arthurcw wrote:So, "Don't go to Austin and OC." Basically.
If you have a valid CHL and are doing nothing wrong....What does it matter?
Because my guess is that Acevedo will instruct APD to "Check 'em all." I don't want to be stopped every few hours and be asked, "Papieren bitte?" I'd rather just go about my business with my family and not take the chance on getting a D-bag who thinks I'm compensating for something.

While 99% of the cops won't give a flip and will be doing it because they have to and 99% of gun owners will just hand over their ID with all the giddiness of a 40-something being carded for beer, I don't want some overzealous t*rd-in-the-punchbowl (on either side) getting into a Klingon P*cker Swinging contest shouting about "Mah Authoratah!" or "Mah Rights!" WIll it happen? I have no clue. But seeing what passes for restraint among OCT and MDA(and their supporting Police Chiefs), I have my concerns. I'll just elect to conceal in some places until this runs its course. Pick your battles.
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State Affairs should be back at it in about 10 minutes.

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Hearing on #HB910 open carry looks like it will begin around 1:40 in the Senate chamber. #txlege

Senate Committee on State Affairs
Date: Monday, 05/18/2015
Time: 1:40 PM
Room: Senate Chamber, 2E.8
Notes: RESUMES 10 MINUTES UPON ADJOURNMENT OF THE SENATE

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Aggie_engr wrote:
NotRPB wrote:‏@chucklindell now50 seconds ago

#HB910 will be substituted to REMOVE House amendment banning police stops solely to check CHL for open carry, @EstesForTexas says. #txlege
Let's not jump to conclusions here. Remember Chuck Lindell is the same Chuck who previously declared that campus carry was going to be attached to open carry in an attempt to progress the bill when in fact it was completely false. Let's pause the discussion now before it ends up spreading wrong information and confusing people who are only able to stay informed by reading tidbits of updates.

I'm not sure if ol Chuck is trying to rally those in opposition or proponents by putting out these false stories. Maybe his intent is to see what kind of response it generates on here and elsewhere?
Knock off the conspiracy theory crap. First, Lindell reported what the House author of campus carry told him (about a conversation that did happen, which isn't something I'd describe as "completely false"). Now he's reporting what the Senate author of open carry told him (about something others in the know have been reporting for almost a week).

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TVGuy wrote:State Affairs should be back at it in about 10 minutes.
Saw that !

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safety1 wrote:
v7a wrote:
safety1 wrote:
v7a wrote:
safety1 wrote:If you are not doing anything wrong...what does it matter?
Let's get rid of the 4th Amendment then. If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind the police searching your car or home. Better yet, let's get rid of the right to an attorney. If you're innocent, you don't need one. :patriot:
If you don't like it, call your senator and ask them to vote against it. Progress is progress in my book.
Nice dodge, but that's not what I was responding to. I was talking about your juvenile understanding of our freedoms. Presumably you support a national gun registry. After all, you're not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide.
Very presumptuous on your part regarding a national gun registry, but you are wrong. If you think my opinion is juvenile, your welcome to that opinion.
I FULL understand our freedoms...served to defend them. Have you?
Cops are pretty good for the most part at context. Open Carrying while you are looking at diapers in Walmart is probably not going to get anyone's attention.

Lets turn this around a bit.... I've been a member of this forum for a long time and have seen countless posts discussing scenarios/circumstances that cause us to go from condition Green to Condition Yellow (alert to something of potential concern). I (just a private citizen with a CHL) can concoct lots of scenarios where I'd go from condition Green to condition Yellow when encountering somebody who was open carrying. I like to think cops are perceptive enough to do the same. Asking somebody for ID when the context of the situation indicates it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Are we going to hear stories of cops hassling open carriers? Certainly. But I think it's going to be rare, and I mostly think open carry is going to be a non-event. If 2 years from now this is a problem, then by all means lets have an amendment...
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