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Post by ELB » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:26 am

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Post by LDP » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:25 pm

Any more information about this one?
Did the clerk actually put any rounds on target or just shoot blindly to scare them off? It is hard to tell from the video.

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Post by ELB » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:35 pm

Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:41 pm

ELB wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:35 pm
Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
Some folks don't understand how easy it is to miss when firing at someone with a handgun. Especially a moving target. Many times we hear of multiple shots being fired and only one shot hitting the the target. I chalk it up to TV and Movies where every shot is a dead on center of forehead hit.


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Post by WTR » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:55 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:41 pm
[quote=ELB post_id=<a href="tel:1267456">1267456</a> time=<a href="tel:1571168114">1571168114</a> user_id=1811]
Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
Some folks don't understand how easy it is to miss when firing at someone with a handgun. Especially a moving target. Many times we hear of multiple shots being fired and only one shot hitting the the target. I chalk it up to TV and Movies where every shot is a dead on center of forehead hit.
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I read an FBI statistic which stated that when confronted with a handgun you have a 74% chance of not being hit if you just simply run.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:57 pm

WTR wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:55 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:41 pm
[quote=ELB post_id=<a href="tel:1267456">1267456</a> time=<a href="tel:1571168114">1571168114</a> user_id=1811]
Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
Some folks don't understand how easy it is to miss when firing at someone with a handgun. Especially a moving target. Many times we hear of multiple shots being fired and only one shot hitting the the target. I chalk it up to TV and Movies where every shot is a dead on center of forehead hit.
I read an FBI statistic which stated that when confronted with a handgun you have a 74% chance of not being hit if you just simply run.
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I think that is one reason some experts recommend the shoot and scoot.

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Post by Mel » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:32 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:41 pm
ELB wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:35 pm
Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
Some folks don't understand how easy it is to miss when firing at someone with a handgun. Especially a moving target. Many times we hear of multiple shots being fired and only one shot hitting the the target. I chalk it up to TV and Movies where every shot is a dead on center of forehead hit.
Only for the Good guys. The bad guys fire off hundreds of rounds from fully-semi automatics and never hit the Good guys.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Mel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:32 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:41 pm
ELB wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:35 pm
Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
Some folks don't understand how easy it is to miss when firing at someone with a handgun. Especially a moving target. Many times we hear of multiple shots being fired and only one shot hitting the the target. I chalk it up to TV and Movies where every shot is a dead on center of forehead hit.
Only for the Good guys. The bad guys fire off hundreds of rounds from fully-semi automatics and never hit the Good guys.
And they often have self refilling magazines cause they never run out of bullets... :biggrinjester:

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Post by narcissist » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:53 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:41 pm
ELB wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:35 pm
Just the link under the video. I don't know that the clerk fired "blindly" but I don't believe he hit either of the robbers.
Some folks don't understand how easy it is to miss when firing at someone with a handgun. Especially a moving target. Many times we hear of multiple shots being fired and only one shot hitting the the target. I chalk it up to TV and Movies where every shot is a dead on center of forehead hit.
I agree with you somewhat (expecially on the Movies ) but even as a kid on deer ect. I never used windage or height adjustment with the scope on deer out to 500yds plus, as young as maybe 15 yo, somehow/someway I just knew where to hold for height and for windage. Of course now I try to and understand how to but at times instinct still kicks in Example: Rut while they are in a full run. Or while using long bows, this may not make sense to you or others unless they have this "gift" as I call it.

Of course in a person on person gun fight it may be different but im confident I'd take care of the problem.

In very extreme intense situations my brain seams to slow down time and automatically know what to do, yeah im sure most of you are saying "bull" but it's the truth.
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Re: AL: Clerk with own gun runs off armed robbers

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Post by b4aftr » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:35 am

narcissist wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:53 pm
In very extreme intense situations my brain seams to slow down time and automatically know what to do, yeah im sure most of you are saying "bull" but it's the truth.
Sorry but I got the image of the “Wanted” movie while reading that. Don’t disagree just reminded me of it.

Personally I choose to curve my shots.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:50 am

b4aftr wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:35 am
narcissist wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:53 pm
In very extreme intense situations my brain seams to slow down time and automatically know what to do, yeah im sure most of you are saying "bull" but it's the truth.
Sorry but I got the image of the “Wanted” movie while reading that. Don’t disagree just reminded me of it.

Personally I choose to curve my shots.
I have been practicing that shot. It works best if I fling my gun hand out slightly and twist my wrist at the same time.

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Post by ELB » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:00 am

WTR wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:55 pm
I read an FBI statistic which stated that when confronted with a handgun you have a 74% chance of not being hit if you just simply run.
The NYPD publishes an annual report on firearm discharges by their members, used to be called "SOP 9," I don't know what the new name is. Anyway, in confrontations with others, their average hit percentage hovered around 20%. This doesn't tell you how it happened on the individual level - it could be that out of 10 gunfights with 10 rounds expended in each gunfight, two guys hit their targets with 10 rounds each and everyone else missed completely, or each gunfight had 2 rounds on target and 8 misses. But I suspect it tends more toward the latter.
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Post by RSX11 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:00 pm

In very extreme intense situations my brain seams to slow down time and automatically know what to do, yeah im sure most of you are saying "bull" but it's the truth.
I don't doubt that you experience the sensations, but research shows that it's an illusion - it doesn't enable you to make more or faster decisions.

https://www.livescience.com/2117-time-s ... ncies.html


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Post by WTR » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:42 pm

RSX11 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:00 pm
In very extreme intense situations my brain seams to slow down time and automatically know what to do, yeah im sure most of you are saying "bull" but it's the truth.
I don't doubt that you experience the sensations, but research shows that it's an illusion - it doesn't enable you to make more or faster decisions.

https://www.livescience.com/2117-time-s ... ncies.html
You may be correct. However, to cite this uncited non peer reviewed study is laughable.

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Post by flintknapper » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:59 pm

WTR wrote:
I read an FBI statistic which stated that when confronted with a handgun you have a 74% chance of not being hit if you just simply run.
Dang..those are pretty good odds. In addition to my regular firearms practice, I'm going to dedicate some time to running in a 'serpentine fashion'. Couldn't hurt, right. Good exercise as well. ;-)
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