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Deadline for class

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Post by RossA » Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:29 pm

I can't remember ever having this issue come up before, but I know that some of you must have, so I thought someone here would have the answer off the top of his head.
I was contacted by a prospective student who applied online with the DPS last September, but hasn't taken her CHL class yet do to a weird work schedule. This is her initial application, not a renewal.
How long does she have to complete a class before she has to start all over again with a new application?
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by sjfcontrol » Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:30 pm

once she's paid, she has a year to complete the application.
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by RossA » Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:32 pm

That's what I was thinking, but I hadn't hit the books yet to find the specific time limits. Thanks!
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by mattdfw » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:13 am

I just opened my class notes and instructor materials provided in class (Jan. CHL Instructor class).

The State application is now only to be stored for 90 days. By rule, under certain circumstances, the application can be extended for an additional 90 days. The CHL-100 is good for two years.

Sherrie did discuss this in class. Her explanation was that the way their computer system is setup, there is just to much clutter to search threw.

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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by infoman » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:58 am

The CHL-100 is good for 2 years, the online payment is good for 1 year. The 90 day thing is if someone sent an incomplete app & they get a written notice to send docs, get new prints, etc. They have 90 days to correct their app or else it gets terminated & they must start over from scratch.


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Post by mattdfw » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:32 am

infoman wrote:The CHL-100 is good for 2 years, the online payment is good for 1 year. The 90 day thing is if someone sent an incomplete app & they get a written notice to send docs, get new prints, etc. They have 90 days to correct their app or else it gets terminated & they must start over from scratch.
We were told otherwise, and given an explanation. The extended rule is if they need new prints, extra docs or whatever. If you submit an application, and do nothing with it, and you have NO contact with the DPS, after 90 days they will delete it. Sherrie was very clear in explaining that they have limited resources and they will no longer accommodate slackers and procrastinators. Many uploaded documents are in either image or PDF format; many of which are hand written. OCR software along with a traditional database isn't what they have to use. It was CLEARLY stated in my class that they will no longer tolerate garbage records in their system.

As far as I know, they have only had 2 new Instructor classes this year (within the last six months), which were you in? I'm pretty damn sure I'm up-to-date.

As stated in class, the payment is no longer good for one year. They delete the record after 90 days, and at that point, the FBI back-ground check must be done again (since no record exist). Thus, payment is required again.

We are coming out of a new legislative cycle were new laws are being implemented.

I don't mean to argue, I'm just parroting what was stated in my class regarding this issue.

I'll look for links to the law, if you find any, please post. I don't want to have wrong info.

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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by Keith B » Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:21 am

mattdfw wrote: We were told otherwise, and given an explanation. The extended rule is if they need new prints, extra docs or whatever. If you submit an application, and do nothing with it, and you have NO contact with the DPS, after 90 days they will delete it. Sherrie was very clear in explaining that they have limited resources and they will no longer accommodate slackers and procrastinators. Many uploaded documents are in either image or PDF format; many of which are hand written. OCR software along with a traditional database isn't what they have to use. It was CLEARLY stated in my class that they will no longer tolerate garbage records in their system.

As far as I know, they have only had 2 new Instructor classes this year (within the last six months), which were you in? I'm pretty darn sure I'm up-to-date.

As stated in class, the payment is no longer good for one year. They delete the record after 90 days, and at that point, the FBI back-ground check must be done again (since no record exist). Thus, payment is required again.

We are coming out of a new legislative cycle were new laws are being implemented.

I don't mean to argue, I'm just parroting what was stated in my class regarding this issue.

I'll look for links to the law, if you find any, please post. I don't want to have wrong info.

Thanks
Incorrect. The online application is good for one year. Once your send in the CHL-100 if there is missing informaition and a letter is sent, THEN you have 90 days to comply before the application is terminated. This is the correct information.
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by jbarn » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:40 am

Keith B wrote:
mattdfw wrote: We were told otherwise, and given an explanation. The extended rule is if they need new prints, extra docs or whatever. If you submit an application, and do nothing with it, and you have NO contact with the DPS, after 90 days they will delete it. Sherrie was very clear in explaining that they have limited resources and they will no longer accommodate slackers and procrastinators. Many uploaded documents are in either image or PDF format; many of which are hand written. OCR software along with a traditional database isn't what they have to use. It was CLEARLY stated in my class that they will no longer tolerate garbage records in their system.

As far as I know, they have only had 2 new Instructor classes this year (within the last six months), which were you in? I'm pretty darn sure I'm up-to-date.

As stated in class, the payment is no longer good for one year. They delete the record after 90 days, and at that point, the FBI back-ground check must be done again (since no record exist). Thus, payment is required again.

We are coming out of a new legislative cycle were new laws are being implemented.

I don't mean to argue, I'm just parroting what was stated in my class regarding this issue.

I'll look for links to the law, if you find any, please post. I don't want to have wrong info.

Thanks
Incorrect. The online application is good for one year. Once your send in the CHL-100 if there is missing informaition and a letter is sent, THEN you have 90 days to comply before the application is terminated. This is the correct information.

Gotta agree with my esteemed colleague. My notes are clear, and I just spent a little time perusing the Administrative Code..... :patriot:
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by Crossfire » Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:15 pm

Keith B wrote:
mattdfw wrote: We were told otherwise, and given an explanation. The extended rule is if they need new prints, extra docs or whatever. If you submit an application, and do nothing with it, and you have NO contact with the DPS, after 90 days they will delete it. Sherrie was very clear in explaining that they have limited resources and they will no longer accommodate slackers and procrastinators. Many uploaded documents are in either image or PDF format; many of which are hand written. OCR software along with a traditional database isn't what they have to use. It was CLEARLY stated in my class that they will no longer tolerate garbage records in their system.

As far as I know, they have only had 2 new Instructor classes this year (within the last six months), which were you in? I'm pretty darn sure I'm up-to-date.

As stated in class, the payment is no longer good for one year. They delete the record after 90 days, and at that point, the FBI back-ground check must be done again (since no record exist). Thus, payment is required again.

We are coming out of a new legislative cycle were new laws are being implemented.

I don't mean to argue, I'm just parroting what was stated in my class regarding this issue.

I'll look for links to the law, if you find any, please post. I don't want to have wrong info.

Thanks
Incorrect. The online application is good for one year. Once your send in the CHL-100 if there is missing informaition and a letter is sent, THEN you have 90 days to comply before the application is terminated. This is the correct information.
I can't find anything in the admin code that says 1 year. Does anyone here have that?
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by infoman » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:16 pm

I'm not sure the admin code off hand, but I happen to know 100% certain for fact that the online payment is good for one year. Now, if they send in their documents (CHL-100, DD-214, BOC doc, etc) & there's an issue, they get sent a 90 day letter to correct issue. If they don't comply then their app in terminated. But, a person can pay online Jan. 2, 2014 & wait until Dec. 31, 2014 to send their documents if they chose & they'll be ok. I promise this is the reality.

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Post by Crossfire » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:26 pm

infoman wrote:I'm not sure the admin code off hand, but I happen to know 100% certain for fact that the online payment is good for one year. Now, if they send in their documents (CHL-100, DD-214, BOC doc, etc) & there's an issue, they get sent a 90 day letter to correct issue. If they don't comply then their app in terminated. But, a person can pay online Jan. 2, 2014 & wait until Dec. 31, 2014 to send their documents if they chose & they'll be ok. I promise this is the reality.
Yes, it has always been 1 year. But, again, where is it in the admin code?

Cause, if it's not in there, they can choose to continue to honor the 1 year period as before, or make it 90 days, or 9 days.
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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by infoman » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:23 pm

I'll see what I can dig up, but just for people's knowledge, I know for right now & the foreseeable future they are honoring the 1 year web app payment period. If or when that ever stops being honored I'll be the first to post on the forum.


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Post by Unicorn Rancher » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:14 am

Crossfire wrote:
infoman wrote:But, a person can pay online Jan. 2, 2014 & wait until Dec. 31, 2014 to send their documents if they chose & they'll be ok. I promise this is the reality.
Yes, it has always been 1 year. But, again, where is it in the admin code?

Cause, if it's not in there, they can choose to continue to honor the 1 year period as before, or make it 90 days, or 9 days.

As far as I can tell, if management desired, they could send a notice when someone applies saying what is missing. Call it a checklist or punch list or whatever. Then the applicant would have 90 days to remedy the deficiencies or start over.


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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by mattdfw » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:22 am

Well...

I just sent an email to the DPS's RSD director asking for clarification (Regulatory Services Division).

Once I get a response from her, I'll post exactly what she says about this...

Matt

P.S. Crossfire, I got my initial CHL from you. It was a great class, soooo much better than my renewal. I do try to model the occasional class I hold after yours' but will never be able to match it (I don't know who is posting here, I seem to recall the names Linda and Marty.?.?.) Anyhow, I got sucked into the CHL instructor program via personal experience. Due to your work, there is a young mother and 4 yrld boy alive and well today...


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Re: Deadline for class

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Post by mattdfw » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:34 am

Unicorn Rancher wrote:
Crossfire wrote:
infoman wrote:But, a person can pay online Jan. 2, 2014 & wait until Dec. 31, 2014 to send their documents if they chose & they'll be ok. I promise this is the reality.
Yes, it has always been 1 year. But, again, where is it in the admin code?

Cause, if it's not in there, they can choose to continue to honor the 1 year period as before, or make it 90 days, or 9 days.

As far as I can tell, if management desired, they could send a notice when someone applies saying what is missing. Call it a checklist or punch list or whatever. Then the applicant would have 90 days to remedy the deficiencies or start over.
Yes, exactly what I've been saying. They have all the other docs, but NO CHL-100 to go forward with, it's an incomplete application. 90 days, they're dumping the record.

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