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BYRNA non lethal handgun

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Post by howdy » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:38 am

Does anyone here have any knowledge or experience with this?

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:56 am

It's definitely interesting, and might be a decent tool to add to the arsenal, along with an actual handgun. It might also be a "better than nothing" option if you need to venture into a no gun zone for some reason.

I definitely like the range (60 feet), and think this gives it an advantage over standard Pepper Spray and similar options.
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Post by Greybeard » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:38 am

The Wife instructed me to order one after she saw mentioned on Hannity a several months ago. I got an e-mail from the CEO a day or two later thanking me for the order - but ..... they had just received over 13,000 new orders and that I would not be receiving the unit until late August. They did deliver as promised and I promptly did some testing. At 7 yards the "glorified paintball gun" put 5 shots in a group about the size of a 9" paper plate. At 50 feet, yes, there was still some decent velocity, but I was only able to get 4 out of 5 rounds on the paper using a full size B-27 target.

The instructions say to store or carry the gun only with a new (unpunctured) cylinder. The first trigger pull punctures the cylinder and fires the top 68 caliber ball. That first trigger pull is more difficult than on any double action pistol I have ever fired. The next 4 were not too bad.

Several members inquired as to my thoughts on suggesting one for them or family members. In all honesty, I had to say, that a 4-ounce unit of good (stream) pepper spray might very well do the job in many instances - with a lot less bulk and for a LOT less money.
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:34 pm

If I was to get this, I would definitely not get one in black. It looks too much like a handgun. I think the yellow one would be a better choice. I never want my non-lethal options to look like an actual gun.
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Post by parabelum » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:38 pm

My thing is, I would imagine that this thing has some bulk to it and that may lend itself to situations where one would choose to carry this and not the actual handgun, or other way around in which case the purpose of this piece is moot.
I’d rather just stick with my current system and carry spray as needed. My $.02
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Post by jerry_r60 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:15 pm

Pulling this out on someone immediately gives them a trigger respond to a deadly force threat.


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Post by Greybeard » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:18 pm

I ordered ours in yellow. And yes, it is somewhat bulky. Advertised as "about the same size as a Glock 19", but is actually a little larger - especially in width. A retired cop looked at it and also preferred the color yellow. Said it would definitely get the attention of any of the creatures who had ever been successfully lit up with a taser.

The "kit" has several nice features. I just wish the thing had some rifling to better stabilize the balls. At any distance to speak of, their trajectory gets pretty wonky.
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Re: BYRNA non lethal handgun

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Post by parabelum » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:32 pm

jerry_r60 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:15 pm
Pulling this out on someone immediately gives them a trigger respond to a deadly force threat.
Yep. That’ll be my thought. There’s a confrontation of sorts. I pull my Byrna thingy and other person pulls out his/her M&P shield thingy (roughly same cost - pre madness). Now they have right to use deadly force and I have a right to plink them with few OC balls and hopefully be effective. Don’t think I can switch back to my carry gun that fast, if I was carrying it at the same time.
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Post by Lynyrd » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:22 pm

parabelum wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:32 pm
jerry_r60 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:15 pm
Pulling this out on someone immediately gives them a trigger respond to a deadly force threat.
Yep. That’ll be my thought. There’s a confrontation of sorts. I pull my Byrna thingy and other person pulls out his/her M&P shield thingy (roughly same cost - pre madness). Now they have right to use deadly force and I have a right to plink them with few OC balls and hopefully be effective. Don’t think I can switch back to my carry gun that fast, if I was carrying it at the same time.
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Post by Rob72 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:46 pm

I'm a bit more partial to this:
https://www.officer.com/tactical/ems-ha ... i-a-review

Small, known to be effective, and substantively cheaper. Byrna's offering looks like it wants to be substantially more than it is(range, volume, controlled delivery), but I have no personal experience with them.

Edit to add: I did not realize that Sabre offers a launcher of similar design, but their stated effective range is 175 feet. While that may be optimistic, being made by Sabre, I'm willing to bet that it reaches 60' with ease, and feels like rubber buck. :cup:


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Re: BYRNA non lethal handgun

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Post by NotRPB » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:34 am

parabelum wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:38 pm
My thing is, I would imagine that this thing has some bulk to it and that may lend itself to situations where one would choose to carry this and not the actual handgun, or other way around in which case the purpose of this piece is moot.
I’d rather just stick with my current system and carry spray as needed. My $.02
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I do have TWO Kimber pepper blasters dor doctor visits etc ... but the byrna advertises it is significantly more powerful propulsion than a painball gun (which can leave welps/bruises) so it may have a greater range (& accuracy) than the kimber . Practicing with the Kimber runs into money, practicing with the inert or solid balls is cheaper

I'd go for yellow too ... if they were about $200 cheaper
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