ND at the gun club today during monthly pistol match

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ND at the gun club today during monthly pistol match

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Post by SigM4 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:54 pm

Wow, talk about a lucky dude. Out at my gun club's monthly pistol match. It's loosely based on USPSA but is more of a means for members to put their skills to the test than it is about competition.

At the end of a string of fire an older gentleman (who has shot these numerous times before) was instructed to drop his mag and show clear. Instead he dropped his mag and immediately went back to re-holster his firearm. As was doing so a portion of his "race gun" holster somehow got inside the trigger guard of his 1911 and the gun went off. I was standing about 10' behind him and watched the whole thing happen, his finger was definitely on the safety spot on the slide and not near the trigger.

The .45 SWC bullet entered his upper right thigh, exited above the knee before entering his upper right calf and exiting the lower right calf. On it's way into the dirt the bullet caught the edge of his boot putting a hole in it.

I immediately started to run to my truck for a tourniquet while others closer to him helped him to the ground and applied pressure by hand to the wounds. Fortunately another member standing nearby had a TQ on him and they were able to get it on him within a minute or so of the incident. An off-duty sheriff's deputy that had been standing next to me chatting took control of the scene and began assigning tasks. "You, call 911", "You, get a chair". Since I was already in the parking lot I hollered back that I would head to the front gate to direct first responders. Due to where the club is it took about 20 mins for EMS to arrive, the whole while no one panic'd but rather attended to the situation in an orderly and controlled manner.

Luckily the bullet did not hit any bone or arteries and the gentleman was conscious and attentive when paramedics arrived.

Just goes to show what can happen with a momentary lapse in attention to what one is doing.

Here's a pic of the bullet we were able to dig out of the dirt.

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Post by oljames3 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:38 am

Are you carrying your tourniquet now?
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Post by SigM4 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:07 am

It’s funny you say that because there were probably three or four of us that all commented regarding carrying a tourniquet on our person going forward. I spent part of yesterday afternoon shopping for a pouch or holder so I can mount it on my shooting belt.
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Post by Grayling813 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:44 am

I’m convinced that if you are carrying a firearm you should have a tourniquet on your person. TQ is as much a part of my everyday carry as pistol and magazines.
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Post by strogg » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:27 am

Grayling813 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:44 am
I’m convinced that if you are carrying a firearm you should have a tourniquet on your person. TQ is as much a part of my everyday carry as pistol and magazines.
:iagree:

I always have a TQ on my person as well as in the car kit. It may look a bit goofy, but better safe than sorry.

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Post by oljames3 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:36 am

SigM4 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:07 am
It’s funny you say that because there were probably three or four of us that all commented regarding carrying a tourniquet on our person going forward. I spent part of yesterday afternoon shopping for a pouch or holder so I can mount it on my shooting belt.
North American Rescue, Tactical Medical Solutions, and Philster can help with pouches and frames. The SOFTT-W folds flat enough to fit in a pocket. Don't buy medical on Amazon. Too many fakes. I carry a SOFTT-W Gen3 in my pocket IFAK with a SOFTT-W Gen4 and a CAT-7 in my trauma kit.
https://www.narescue.com/catalogsearch/ ... uet+holder
https://www.tacmedsolutions.com/product ... nd-pouches
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Post by SigM4 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:23 am

I get all my medical supplies for my kits from Rescue Essentials. Much prefer the CAT TQs though as you note they don’t fold as flat as the SOFTT options.

I always though having one in the truck ~20 yds away was sufficient. Yesterday’s incident proved that this is not the case.
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Post by philip964 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:05 pm

I think holstering a gun is the most dangerous thing you can do with a gun.
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Post by LDB415 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:58 pm

Once at a training class a lady was holstering her pistol and it discharged. It's been 20 years or so. I don't remember if she had her finger on the trigger or not. It scraped her outer thigh about 2-3 inches, literally a scrape not a penetration. It bled some but not significantly. She was VERY fortunate.
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Post by Oldgringo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:26 pm

I'm usually wearing a belt when I'm out with my PB's. Airguns, maybe not so much.

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Post by Paladin » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:13 pm

Glad to hear the unfortunate situation was handled well.

I'm convinced that training is more important than equipment. Stop the bleed, CPR, AED, First Aid, TC3 can all be important. Some situations require equipment, but every medical situation requires knowledge of what to do.

A your home and car are a great places to keep medical kits, but it certainly is a great idea to have one with your range bag as well.
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Post by Paladin » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:34 am

philip964 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:05 pm
I think bolstering a gun is the most dangerous thing you can do with a gun.
Yes and no.

DFW has regular visits to the ER from those who had a discharge from a holstered gun. If it is a strong side holster the wound is generally non-life threatening. They will live, and hopefully learn.

Appendix carry is a whole different thing. That is the most dangerous thing you can do with a gun. Moral of the story is don't have a holster AD if you appendix carry.

Training is vital, but there are also real world reasons for things like manual safeties and Israeli carry.
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Post by oljames3 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:59 pm

Paladin wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:34 am
philip964 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:05 pm
I think bolstering a gun is the most dangerous thing you can do with a gun.
Yes and no.

DFW has regular visits to the ER from those who had a discharge from a holstered gun. If it is a strong side holster the wound is generally non-life threatening. They will live, and hopefully learn.

Appendix carry is a whole different thing. That is the most dangerous thing you can do with a gun. Moral of the story is don't have a holster AD if you appendix carry.

Training is vital, but there are also real world reasons for things like manual safeties and Israeli carry.
OK. Now I have to ask. Does my pistol have to get its bolstering from a licensed therapist? Personally, I feel that my M&P's self esteem is just fine and needs no bolstering. :biggrinjester:
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Post by RoyGBiv » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:42 pm

I'm sitting here in my hotel room looking at my IFAK on the desk next to my computer, next to my N95 mask. :roll:

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Post by Odinvalknir » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:24 pm

Someone told me once, there are no ACCIDENTAL discharges. Only negligent ones. Point being when dealing with a tool such as a firearm, you shouldn't allow any accidents. I feel that's true. In the chemical plants our safety culture says ALL accidents are preventable, both with proper training and planning.


For me, if I thought my holster had even a 1% chance of causing a discharge it would be in the trash. Wearing a proper holster is just one part of proper planning. Training is knowing how to draw and holster your firearm properly without shooting yourself.

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