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Signs, signs everywhere signs

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Post by Swoops1 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:03 am

Just unfollowed a certain OC Advocacy group on FB.I think had I seen one more post about signs I was going to loose my mind. They talk about the size the color, to letter size, contrasting backgrounds, it was in english not in Spanish. I realize the sign is important but, evidently you saw it, which means it was big enough to read, you could read what ever language it was written in. Don't start bashing I am pro 2A and I believe if you can purchase a gun legally you should be able to carry it. Why just English and Spanish aren't we leaving out the French, German, Chinese, Vietnamese out don't forget Arabic :rules: :banghead: Okay rant over.

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Post by Charlies.Contingency » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:29 am

I don't believe this will go anywhere. :rules:

The law states what the law states. If it does not meet the requirements, then it is not legal.

The law states that the steer tires of a big rig must be at least 4/32in, and the rest of the tires at least 2/32in. That doesn't mean that just because you have tires, means you are close enough to be considered legal. If you want to enforce the LAW on somebody, you must abide by the same LAW. Otherwise, one would be considered a hypocrite.

It is really quite simple, abide but what is written if you want to make others abide by what is written. No double standards.

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Post by mr1337 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:37 am

Swoops1 wrote:Just unfollowed a certain OC Advocacy group on FB.I think had I seen one more post about signs I was going to loose my mind. They talk about the size the color, to letter size, contrasting backgrounds, it was in english not in Spanish. I realize the sign is important but, evidently you saw it, which means it was big enough to read, you could read what ever language it was written in. Don't start bashing I am pro 2A and I believe if you can purchase a gun legally you should be able to carry it. Why just English and Spanish aren't we leaving out the French, German, Chinese, Vietnamese out don't forget Arabic :rules: :banghead: Okay rant over.
I don't know the exact story, but here's what I heard about the Spanish requirement. There was a congressman who has a lot of Hispanic constituents. He wanted 30.06 to be in Spanish as well, so his constituents could read the sign.

Once we get enough people who speak French, German, Chinese, or Arabic, I'm sure someone will introduce legislation for that as well.

The law is pretty specific. If even one of the criteria for the sign is incorrect, it's not a valid sign. If they can't produce a valid sign out of the incredibly specific language, that's their fault.
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Post by Beiruty » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:02 am

Anyone who lives in this great country on permanent basis, should be able to read and write and understand English. Otherwise, he is not doing himself a service, and would be dependent on others to live like a free person.
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Post by mr1337 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:14 am

You'd be surprised how far a translate app can get you these days.

You're also forgetting that Spanish is the primary language in PR. Chamorro is very common in Guam. I'm sure some Inuit tribes don't know a lick of English. All of these places are in the US.

Being a free country, it's their choice to learn the language or not. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the Spanish requirement for 30.06 and 30.07. The state legislature thought it was big enough of a concern to amend the law to include the language. Until someone thinks it's a big enough concern to remove it, it will be there.
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Post by Oldgringo » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:37 am

Beiruty wrote:Anyone who lives in this great country on permanent basis, should be able to read and write and understand English. Otherwise, he is not doing himself a service, and would be dependent on others to live like a free person.
:iagree: , speaking English and having a photo ID should be the minimum requirement for citizenship.


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Post by 3dfxMM » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:47 am

Oldgringo wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Anyone who lives in this great country on permanent basis, should be able to read and write and understand English. Otherwise, he is not doing himself a service, and would be dependent on others to live like a free person.
:iagree: , speaking English and having a photo ID should be the minimum requirement for citizenship.
Given that there is no official U.S. language it makes no sense that knowing one specific language would be a requirement for citizenship.


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Post by mr1337 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:48 am

3dfxMM wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Anyone who lives in this great country on permanent basis, should be able to read and write and understand English. Otherwise, he is not doing himself a service, and would be dependent on others to live like a free person.
:iagree: , speaking English and having a photo ID should be the minimum requirement for citizenship.
Given that there is no official U.S. language it makes no sense that knowing one specific language would be a requirement for citizenship.
There's also no requirement for citizens to obtain a photo ID. I'd wager that would be a 4th Amendment violation.
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:07 pm

mr1337 wrote:You'd be surprised how far a translate app can get you these days.

You're also forgetting that Spanish is the primary language in PR. Chamorro is very common in Guam. I'm sure some Inuit tribes don't know a lick of English. All of these places are in the US.

Being a free country, it's their choice to learn the language or not. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the Spanish requirement for 30.06 and 30.07. The state legislature thought it was big enough of a concern to amend the law to include the language. Until someone thinks it's a big enough concern to remove it, it will be there.
The law was not amended to add Spanish to §30.06. It was in HB2909 (1997) when TPC §30.06 was established. Why Spanish was included is an issue I cannot discuss.

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Post by AJSully421 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:17 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
mr1337 wrote:You'd be surprised how far a translate app can get you these days.

You're also forgetting that Spanish is the primary language in PR. Chamorro is very common in Guam. I'm sure some Inuit tribes don't know a lick of English. All of these places are in the US.

Being a free country, it's their choice to learn the language or not. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the Spanish requirement for 30.06 and 30.07. The state legislature thought it was big enough of a concern to amend the law to include the language. Until someone thinks it's a big enough concern to remove it, it will be there.
The law was not amended to add Spanish to §30.06. It was in HB2909 (1997) when TPC §30.06 was established. Why Spanish was included is an issue I cannot discuss.

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Now see what you did... Before I didn't care why it was included, but now I really want to know. It makes it sound sinister or backhanded... like it was something other than making sure that our Border Brothers had effective notice under the law.
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Post by allisji » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:28 pm

Swoops1 wrote:Why just English and Spanish aren't we leaving out the French, German, Chinese, Vietnamese out don't forget Arabic. Okay rant over.
:thumbs2:

If we make the signs big enough, then no one will be able to fit them on their store fronts and everyone will choose to take them down.
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Post by Oldgringo » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:44 pm

mr1337 wrote:
3dfxMM wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Anyone who lives in this great country on permanent basis, should be able to read and write and understand English. Otherwise, he is not doing himself a service, and would be dependent on others to live like a free person.
:iagree: , speaking English and having a photo ID should be the minimum requirement for citizenship.
Given that there is no official U.S. language it makes no sense that knowing one specific language would be a requirement for citizenship.
There's also no requirement for citizens to obtain a photo ID. I'd wager that would be a 4th Amendment violation.
I reckon I was thinking of a photo ID to vote as well as the other things for which one must produce a photo ID; e.g., booze, checks, DL, CHL, job, passport, etc., etc.

As far as English is concerned, I speak no other language; ergo, English is my official language.

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Post by Dadtodabone » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:57 pm

English is the official language of these United States. Candidates for naturalization must be able to read, write, and speak English well enough to conduct their naturalization interview in it.
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Post by ScottDLS » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:21 pm

Signs...signs....everywhere the signs...blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind...Do this, don't do that...Can't you read the signs?!!

(Or my personal favorite)... And the sign said, Long haired freaky people need not apply..." So I tucked my hair up under my hat, and I went in to ask him, why? He said, "You look like a fine upstanding man, I think you'll do..." So I pulled out my hair from under my hat, and said..."Hmmph...Imagine that!, Me workin' for you!"

(Scott's Electrical Band Version)... And the sign said open carryin' freaky people need not come inside...! So I tucked my shirt down over my Colt and I went in to ask H.E. Butt, why? He said, "You look like a fine upstanding young man, I'll sell to you!". So I pushed my shirt up off my Colt and I said..."Hmmph, Imagine that...Me buyin' from you!!"


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Post by MeMelYup » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:41 pm

Spanish was the original official language of Texas. When it gained its independence it was changed to English. The two most spoken languages in Texas are English and Spanish. The majority of people in Texas that don't read nor write English are Mexican which speak Spanish. This makes it understandable why the sign should be in both languages. If we were in Louisiana the sign would be in English and French.

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