Shooting at Oregon community college.

[Middle Age Russ]

The way I understand things in OR, you cannot be criminally prosecuted for licensed concealed carry on campus but you can be expelled, fired or have your vendor relationship terminated.

So the customers (in the case of a college, the students) aren't always right -- particularly about Rights...

[NotRPB]

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/ind ... ill_1.html

Does this mean the community college was not gun free?

The way I understand things in OR, you cannot be criminally prosecuted for licensed concealed carry on campus but you can be expelled, fired or have your vendor relationship terminated.

Just like Virginia?
Year before Virginia Tech Shooting:
http://www.roanoke.com/webmin/opinion/u ... e526f.html

[treadlightly]

That is in Europe and the weird exeption made for religious purpose is what bugs my mind.

"Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:
##taking knives you use at work to and from work
##taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
##the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, eg the kirpan some Sikhs carry"

And they ban locking blades - they ban a safety feature!

[mojo84]

Oregon senators and governor using press conference to call for stricter gun laws and compromise.

Talking about previous mass shootings and how we must do something.

[JALLEN]

It seems to me that this recurring nightmare can be minimized by several steps.

1. Get rid of gun free zones. No more known guaranteed soft targets. This alone will diminish these incidents, just like residential burglaries decrease when it is widely known that many homes have firearms.

2. Drop the idiotic laws in some places restricting magazine capacity, types of guns which can be sold, number that can be purchased in 30 days, etc., along with waiting periods.

3. Encourage, rather than discourage, LTC permits, training. Quit treating LTC holders as freaks, dangerous characters. I would go so far as to prohibit businesses from banning gun possession by LTC holders on business premises.

I have lived through Charles Whitman, James Huberty, George Hennard, and the other really horrid mass shootings since. Whitman was the toughest, but men on campus got out their hunting rifles and returned fire, to help Austin PD officers get in and kill Whitman. In every other case, no civilian help was available. It took San Diego PD nearly an hour to get down there, get organized and take a shot. In Killeen, Susan Hupp helplessly watched her parents murdered while the pistol she had was in her car in compliance with the then law.

There is no way that effective security can be provided in every public place. We have to do it ourselves, consistent with the American way. I believe that were these things done, the incidence of these outrages would become quite rare.

[NotRPB]

Oregon senators and governor using press conference to call for stricter gun laws and compromise.

Talking about previous mass shootings and how we must do something.

: FBI report shows importance of armed citizens in stopping mass murder sprees
http://www.naturalnews.com/047378_murde ... eport.html#

one unarmed security guard? just call a janitor ...

[philip964]

CNN carrying live broadcast of politicians from Oregon speaking on the shooting.

Ticker says family says the shooter had mental problems.

Radio is saying shooter had body armor and 5 extra magazines.

[philip964]

http://youtu.be/x5U_XD4kDJ4

CNN at its best

[mojo84]

Interesting article about connection of mental health and violent crime.

http://www.newsweek.com/maybe-oregon-sh ... ess-378875

It also seems interesting how the fact he targeted Christians isn't getting much airtime. Just think how much airtime both would be getting if it was another religion being targeted. The double standard is alive and well.

[baldeagle]

Cornyn is apparently fostering a bill that will upgrade background reporting and improve the federal database. BUT his bill does not require background checks on gun show or private sales. I believe that the great majority of gun owners, including NRA members, approve of better background checking and closing the loopholes so I don't see why it doesn't happen.

What is the loophole you want closed? Licensed dealers at gun shows are required to run background checks. The only way you can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check is by buying one from a private owner at the show. If you force them to do background checks at the shows, some of them will comply but some will simply sell their guns in other ways.

If you require ALL private sales to require background checks, then you impose a financial burden on private owners that will cause some to go underground, especially those who are shady to begin with.

The problem with background checks, like all other laws, is they are completely ineffective against law breakers.

[VMI77]

Interesting article about connection of mental health and violent crime.

http://www.newsweek.com/maybe-oregon-sh ... ess-378875

It also seems interesting how the fact he targeted Christians isn't getting much airtime. Just think how much airtime both would be getting if it was another religion being targeted. The double standard is alive and well.

I think of it as a single standard: whether it does or does not advance the leftist narrative. Emphasizing the targeting of Christians undermines the narrative.

[mojo84]

Does registration and licensing keep people from killing people with cars? Does the lack of effectiveness in preventing auto homicides cause people to want to eliminate a "loophole"? How about the loophole regarding drug trafficking? Isn't it illegal to have, sell, transfer, transport and use illegal drugs? If I was so inclined, I bet I could get a hold on whatever illegal drugs I wanted before sundown today even though they are illegal. Why would guns be any different?

Dale, do you really think background checks will prevent people from transferring guns from one to another? If so, share with us how you think it will work.

[JALLEN]

I can tell you how it works in California. All transfers of firearms must be handled by an FFL, documents submitted to the DOJ while the firearm remains in the possession of the FFL, for ten full days. IOW, if the FFL clicks "send" on the paperwork today at 2:35:23 pm, you may not pick up the firearm before ten days later at 2:35:23, known colloquially as "DROS." During this time the background check is completed. If a handgun, the buyer must have a handgun safety certificate within 2 years, I believe, and demonstrate safe loading, unloading etc to the FFL. The FFL charges a fee for handling the deal, sometimes even if the FFL is the seller. Sales tax is collected as well.

I have reason to believe that Julio in the barrio doesn't endure these indignities. He also pays less for his gun than you and I.

[RJGold]

While flipping through the channels looking for the weather channel to see if hurricane Joaquin is going to affect our leaf watching trip in NH, I saw CNN interviewing Mark Kelly on the Oregon mass shooting today...

Here are the highlights...

When asked about why Chicago has a higher than average gun violence rate despite their strict gun laws, Kelly said "Chicago is not an island" apparently he recognizes that guns are brought in to Chicago from other places. Amazingly, he then said, "what we need is strong state laws and strong federal laws to resrict firearm sales". Apparently his understanding of gun traffic into Chicago does not extend to state or federal boundaries.

When asked about "gun free zones" he said "there is no evidence that any mass shooter knew they were in a gun free zone". He then deflected and said he had flown in combat 39 times and been shot at and it's not what people think it is. He also said that we don't want to live in a society where everyone is armed and where every conflict between people involves a gun.

He ended the interview by saying he was a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable...

[rotor]

We all have to assume one basic fact and that is that there is no way to keep these incidents from happening. They will happen over and over again because there are crazy people that can not be identified. There is no background test to find the nuts.

Assuming that this will happen again the next question is how to prevent it. Secure doors requiring special access cards, security at each entrance armed as needed, etc. I am sure not too many people break into CIA headquarters.

There is no way to eliminate all firearms and nobody on this forum would want it. I assume Mr. Obama is not a member.

The only other option is to have individuals prepared to save their own lives with whatever that requires. Firearms, knives, and other weapons available. I would prefer a firearm for myself. Obviously in a "gun free zone" these students didn't have much chance to survive. My understanding is that this college opted to remain gun free and they could have legally been a gun carry zone.

So, I expect to see more of these nut case shootings in the future because there are so many nut cases. Just finished reading "Killing Reagan" and the crazy mind of Hinckley and his fascination with Jodi Foster. You can't find these nuts by any background test. There will be more because nuts like to copy nuts.