Homeowner Fatally Shoots Intruder

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Paladin wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:
Paladin wrote:
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Paladin wrote:I haven't been tracking the exact numbers, but "castle doctrine" does seem to be working so far. Home and business owners have been able to defend themselves and their properties without adverse legal consequences.
The "castle doctrine" doesn't have anything to do with the recent events, we had the right to protect our family and home before 9/1/07.
Actually it does. It affords lawsuit protection and does make some notable changes to the use of deadly force (inside and outside the home).
It clearly does not. These cases are too recent to even get to the "lawsuit" issue yet, and neither has been presented to the Grand Jury.

Even so, the changes to the deadly force statutes were Protection of Persons. No changes wre made to protection of property, which is what these uses were.
So you say that it doesn't affect lawsuits? Doesn't affect Force/DF inside and outside the home?

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00378F.htm
Sec. 83.001. CIVIL IMMUNITY. A defendant who uses force or deadly force that is justified under Chapter 9, Penal Code, is immune from civil liability for personal injury or death that results from the defendant's use of force or deadly force, as applicable.
The actor's belief that the force was
immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed
to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person
against whom the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was
attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied
habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
What does lawsuits have to do with this? These cases have not even been to the Grand Jury yet. It is WAY to soon to know if the civil cases will even be filed.

Or do you think these people thought, "wow, Texas Castle Doctrine law says I have immunity from civil prosecution if I shoot this guy". :roll:
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I doubt they read the bill, consulted a knowledgable lawyer, and then set out to "off" the BG's.

Most folks are reluctant to kill somebody, even if it is justified. Hearing on the news about "castle doctrine" legal protection... I imagine the news would lessen the mental barriers that some people have to shooting.

I think I also proved my legal point. SB 378 does make changes to lawsuits and to use of force/DF during the attempt to enter unlawfully w/force of an occupied habitation.
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Paladin wrote:I doubt they read the bill, consulted a knowledgable lawyer, and then set out to "off" the BG's.

Most folks are reluctant to kill somebody, even if it is justified. Hearing on the news about "castle doctrine" legal protection... I imagine the news would lessen the mental barriers that some people have to shooting.

I think I also proved my legal point. SB 378 does make changes to lawsuits and to use of force/DF during the attempt to enter unlawfully w/force of an occupied habitation.
378 made changes to use of force and deadly force to protect persons, not protection of property.
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