Type ammo in your carry weapon

FlynJay · Post by **FlynJay** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:55 pm

Hollow points are the most effective at "stopping the threat". Also they are less likely to over penetrate, making them more suited for self-defense. Either way, I don't see this as a problem in Texas.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:43 pm

If it were suggested in court that carrying hollowpoints was looking for trouble, I would ask the lawyer if he felt the bailiff was looking for trouble.

WildBill · Post by **WildBill** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:50 pm

Liberty wrote:If it were suggested in court that carrying hollowpoints was looking for trouble, I would ask the lawyer if he felt the bailiff was looking for trouble.

That's a good one! If you asked it in court, you would probably be cited for contempt.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:22 pm

WildBill wrote:
Liberty wrote:If it were suggested in court that carrying hollowpoints was looking for trouble, I would ask the lawyer if he felt the bailiff was looking for trouble.
That's a good one! If you asked it in court, you would probably be sited for contempt.

The judge would have to stop laughing before could cite me.

Bunkins · Post by **Bunkins** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:21 pm

When I took the course, for some odd reason the instructor told us to NOT carry hollow points, because of how it would look in court. Then a few minutes later starting talking that if court and asked why you killed the guy instead of shooting him in the leg, he told us to say " because we are taught to stop the threat "..

I started to debated the whole hollow point thing with him, bringing up that ball ammo for personal protection is a

The guy didnt want to hear it, stopped me short and said we're not here to debate or something along those lines.. Thats what struck me as being odd, the guy is very well known here for being very knowledgeable about firearms and the laws, then he goes off on a spill like that, it had me wondering. I'll keep the hollow points in mine, not only for the stopping power, but the penetration issues as well...

asleepatthereel · Post by **asleepatthereel** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:00 am

WildBill wrote:
Proudtexan wrote:Thanks for the quick replies and to the forum. My son and I are looking to get our CHL's and were talking with folks about this when it came up. I stated with the castle type laws that were put in here in Texas, that we were good for that. I would think personal protection would override the "oh you were looking for trouble and intended bodily harm" types. You darn right I intended bodily harm, it's the bg or me and the family. I'm not going to just set there and take it. Thanks also for the other links, I'll look them up as well. I tried to search for something like this before posting but must have missed them. I'm glad I found this forum.

Smitty
IANAL, but I believe that when you take your CHL class you and your son will be taught that the goal of using your firearm for self defense should be to stop the threat rather than attempting to do bodily harm. Making such a statement that you "darn right wanted to do bodily harm" would do far more damage to your defense than carrying hollowpoint ammunition.

Choose your words carefully. You dont want to kill or do bodily harm. That is what the BG is doing. You are the Good Guy, therefore you are trying to stop the threat of bodily hard or death.

bubba1876 · Post by **bubba1876** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:09 am

arod757 wrote: Hollow point rounds are, by this theory, much safer, as they lose most of their energy almost immediately after expanding, whether it be in a wall or a human. So the chances of hurting an innocent are lessened. They can also cause more damage to internal organs with proper shot placement and hopefully halt your attacker more efficiently. That is, after all, what you're trying to do -- stop the attack, not kill the person.

bubba1876 · Post by **bubba1876** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:15 am

WildBill wrote:
Liberty wrote:If it were suggested in court that carrying hollowpoints was looking for trouble, I would ask the lawyer if he felt the bailiff was looking for trouble.
That's a good one! If you asked it in court, you would probably be sited for contempt.

Even worse, ask the judge what ammo he's packing under the robe!

bubba1876 · Post by **bubba1876** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:23 am

Bunkins wrote:When I took the course, for some odd reason the instructor told us to NOT carry hollow points, because of how it would look in court. Then a few minutes later starting talking that if court and asked why you killed the guy instead of shooting him in the leg, he told us to say " because we are taught to stop the threat "..

I started to debated the whole hollow point thing with him, bringing up that ball ammo for personal protection is a The guy didnt want to hear it, stopped me short and said we're not here to debate or something along those lines.. Thats what struck me as being odd, the guy is very well known here for being very knowledgeable about firearms and the laws, then he goes off on a spill like that, it had me wondering. I'll keep the hollow points in mine, not only for the stopping power, but the penetration issues as well...

So, in this instructor's mind, carrying hollow points is bad in the court's eyes, but the fact that you are carrying a concealed handgun is good? If there is a lawyer out there that can clarify this, jump in. To me, it seems a little trivial as too what ammo you load.

It would be hilarious (to me) to hear a DA in court say "So, you chose a +p instead of a low grain .45 to carry in your firearm?"

To me, the fact that we carry as law abiding citizens shout negate any perceived fore-thought about 'intent' as to what kind of ammo we use, IMO.

03Lightningrocks · Post by **03Lightningrocks** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:49 am

Bunkins wrote:When I took the course, for some odd reason the instructor told us to NOT carry hollow points, because of how it would look in court. Then a few minutes later starting talking that if court and asked why you killed the guy instead of shooting him in the leg, he told us to say " because we are taught to stop the threat "..

I started to debated the whole hollow point thing with him, bringing up that ball ammo for personal protection is a The guy didnt want to hear it, stopped me short and said we're not here to debate or something along those lines.. Thats what struck me as being odd, the guy is very well known here for being very knowledgeable about firearms and the laws, then he goes off on a spill like that, it had me wondering. I'll keep the hollow points in mine, not only for the stopping power, but the penetration issues as well...

Since this feller is a member of this forum, maybe he can post up on the thinking behind this. There have been cases in the past where a DA made an issue of bullet style used. I remember reading about it in some of Masood Ayoob writings in American Rifleman back in the early 1980's. I just can't remember the details. Maybe the instructor mentioned can elaborate a little bit for us.

kd5zex · Post by **kd5zex** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:11 am

I have 13 rounds of Hornady TAP in my XD. Thinking about it now, the cases are black; wonder if they could be considered "assault ammo"...

KRM45 · Post by **KRM45** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:34 am

I carry Speer Gold Dot in all my guns with the exception of my P3At. I carry FMJ in the .380 so I can penetrate the BG's T-shirt.

03Lightningrocks · Post by **03Lightningrocks** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:29 pm

KRM45 wrote: I carry FMJ in the .380 so I can penetrate the BG's T-shirt.

LOL....T-shirt??? That's funny. I have heard the same opinion from others on the 380. I would love to see some side by side ballistics on this issue.

Post by **Skiprr** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:55 pm

Speaking of Mas Ayoob, here's an article of his titled "Choose Your Ammo...Police Style" that may interest some.

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:04 pm

kd5zex wrote:I have 13 rounds of Hornady TAP in my XD. Thinking about it now, the cases are black; wonder if they could be considered "assault ammo"...

EBR: Evil Black Rounds?

Skiprr wrote:Speaking of Mas Ayoob, here's an article of his titled "Choose Your Ammo...Police Style" that may interest some.

Thanks, that's the article from which I was thinking.

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