Hancock, New York? Inconceivable! New York has strict gun control.Rockrz wrote:Ryan Mauro, a terrorism analyst for CAN, says the video exposes the terrorist training activities at 35 compounds in the U.S., run by a Pakistani national known as sheik muburak ali gilani. Compounds identified in the documentary are located near communities like Commerce, Georgia; Hancock, New York; and Red House, Virginia.
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Depends on what religion you areCaptain Matt wrote:Hancock, New York? Inconceivable! New York has strict gun control.

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How many Christian paramilitary camps are there? Last I heard they estimated 50 ( but that has been a while) How many ultra racial groups camps. How many just plain profit making bodies - Blackwater, Suarez, etc.?
This issue is quite old. The NRA opposed the last attempt to control paramilitary training camps. The 1985 study found
most such camps were either:
Franchises or commercial establishments that offer training to law enforcement or security firms worldwide;
Paramilitary and survivalist organizations that offer training in the use of small arms, map reading, and survival under extreme circumstances (those operated by the Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord, for example). According to the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, many of these camps also include an indoctrination of race hatred.
Mercenary training camps, the goal of which is to offer the knowledge and skills necessary to be a soldier-for-hire.
Unless you are willing to look at the whole picture, you might not see the entire risk the nation runs.
This issue is quite old. The NRA opposed the last attempt to control paramilitary training camps. The 1985 study found
most such camps were either:
Franchises or commercial establishments that offer training to law enforcement or security firms worldwide;
Paramilitary and survivalist organizations that offer training in the use of small arms, map reading, and survival under extreme circumstances (those operated by the Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord, for example). According to the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, many of these camps also include an indoctrination of race hatred.
Mercenary training camps, the goal of which is to offer the knowledge and skills necessary to be a soldier-for-hire.
Unless you are willing to look at the whole picture, you might not see the entire risk the nation runs.
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The citizens have the right to carry and train with the same kind of weapons as the police and military.
Anyone remember what the founding fathers wrote about standing armies?
Anyone remember what the founding fathers wrote about standing armies?

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Anyone remember what the founding fathers did about muzlims encroaching on our rights as a nation?
( They went to war in the middle east, that's what they did! )
So, are we to stand by and do nothing as this dark influence wrecks our society?
Care about the future of your children and grandchildren's ability to live in a free America?
Anybody catch this news story???
'Moderate Muslim' murders wife Islam-style
Source: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Defa ... ?id=425888" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
An Arab Christian and Islamic critic says the recent brutal beheading of a Muslim woman by her husband in New York should be a wake-up call to all Americans.
On February 12, Muzzammil Hassan went to the police station in the Buffalo suburb of Orchard Park and told police that his wife was dead and that her body could be found at his business, Bridges TV. Officers went to the location and found the decapitated body of 37-year-old Aasiya Hassan. They charged her 44-year old husband with second degree murder.
Authorities say the woman had recently filed for divorce from her husband. Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III told The Buffalo News that "Obviously, this is the worse form of domestic violence possible."
Brigitte Gabriel, founder and president of ACT! for America and author of They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It, says this incident is more than just domestic violence.
"He killed her according to the Islamic way," she notes. "And this is the guy who was being touted as the moderate Muslim. He is the president and founder of Bridges TV, where he was trying to create bridges between the Muslim world and the Western world, trying to show the Western world what Islam is truly about, to go against the stereotype what Muslims are all about."
And Gabriel says Hassan was honored by the Council on American Islamic Relations, or CAIR. "CAIR gave him an award. And we know that CAIR -- just like many other Islamic organizations -- is nothing more than a front for the Muslim Brotherhood operating in the United States," she contends. "We know that CAIR is for sure a front for Hamas, and so anybody who has ever been associated with CAIR is somebody we have to look at and scrutinize."
She is also surprised that authorities have only charged Hassan with second degree murder.
( They went to war in the middle east, that's what they did! )
So, are we to stand by and do nothing as this dark influence wrecks our society?
Care about the future of your children and grandchildren's ability to live in a free America?
Anybody catch this news story???
'Moderate Muslim' murders wife Islam-style
Source: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Defa ... ?id=425888" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
An Arab Christian and Islamic critic says the recent brutal beheading of a Muslim woman by her husband in New York should be a wake-up call to all Americans.
On February 12, Muzzammil Hassan went to the police station in the Buffalo suburb of Orchard Park and told police that his wife was dead and that her body could be found at his business, Bridges TV. Officers went to the location and found the decapitated body of 37-year-old Aasiya Hassan. They charged her 44-year old husband with second degree murder.
Authorities say the woman had recently filed for divorce from her husband. Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III told The Buffalo News that "Obviously, this is the worse form of domestic violence possible."
Brigitte Gabriel, founder and president of ACT! for America and author of They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It, says this incident is more than just domestic violence.
"He killed her according to the Islamic way," she notes. "And this is the guy who was being touted as the moderate Muslim. He is the president and founder of Bridges TV, where he was trying to create bridges between the Muslim world and the Western world, trying to show the Western world what Islam is truly about, to go against the stereotype what Muslims are all about."
And Gabriel says Hassan was honored by the Council on American Islamic Relations, or CAIR. "CAIR gave him an award. And we know that CAIR -- just like many other Islamic organizations -- is nothing more than a front for the Muslim Brotherhood operating in the United States," she contends. "We know that CAIR is for sure a front for Hamas, and so anybody who has ever been associated with CAIR is somebody we have to look at and scrutinize."
She is also surprised that authorities have only charged Hassan with second degree murder.

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You do realize that we have laws on the books to cover this type of stuff, right? It wasn't me that charged him with 2nd degree murder.
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When did the founding fathers go to war in the middle east? 

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"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" refers to warring against the Moorish pirates. Maybe not QUITE Middle East, but certainly close.
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And not quite the founding fathers, but hey, lets not quibble. And they were the Barbary pirates...LarryH wrote:"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" refers to warring against the Moorish pirates. Maybe not QUITE Middle East, but certainly close.
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Not about islam either!
"the shores of Tripolli" part comes from The First Barabary War which had to do with piracy and was fought in 1801. It started over a pirate cutting down a flagpole in front of a US consulate because the goverment's new administration under Jackson wouldn't pay him $225k. The specific part of the Marines Hymm is from the Battle of Derne. This battle also involved 1st Lt. Presley O'bannon since he commanded the Marines ashore. He was presented the Mameluke sword for his actions which Marine officers still carry today.
"the Halls of Montezuma" refers to the Battle of Chapultepec which was fought in 1847 near Mexico City during the Spanish-American war. Marine officers and NCO's wear the red stripe on their trousers known as the blood stripe to this day. The reason why they wear it and not all Marines is that officers and NCO in the Marine detachment suffered extremely heavy losses during the fight due to their tendancy to lead from the front.
I should know. I have sung those words time and time again and worn that red stripe and the fact surrounding them are etched into my memory!
"the shores of Tripolli" part comes from The First Barabary War which had to do with piracy and was fought in 1801. It started over a pirate cutting down a flagpole in front of a US consulate because the goverment's new administration under Jackson wouldn't pay him $225k. The specific part of the Marines Hymm is from the Battle of Derne. This battle also involved 1st Lt. Presley O'bannon since he commanded the Marines ashore. He was presented the Mameluke sword for his actions which Marine officers still carry today.
"the Halls of Montezuma" refers to the Battle of Chapultepec which was fought in 1847 near Mexico City during the Spanish-American war. Marine officers and NCO's wear the red stripe on their trousers known as the blood stripe to this day. The reason why they wear it and not all Marines is that officers and NCO in the Marine detachment suffered extremely heavy losses during the fight due to their tendancy to lead from the front.
I should know. I have sung those words time and time again and worn that red stripe and the fact surrounding them are etched into my memory!

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Unfortunately this thread IMHO is based on the knee-jerk, shrill rhetoric that surrounds the issue of fundamental Islam.
Being the kind of guy that I am, and that I was also sitting in the literal hot-bed of Islamic fundamentalist HQ along the Pakistan-border, I decided to look into the issue. I did this by reading and observing.
Reading is only as good as the source you are reading. Is it biased, is it factual?
Observing is the same. What exactly are you observing and how are you interpreting it (i.e., are you too biased to observe objectively)?
My job in Afghanistan was to go outside the wire and straight into the villages (there were no cities where I was at). My job was to interact directly with those turban-wearing, Islam-worshipping, beard-or-burkha wearing crazies we like to call Muslims.
I came away with a number of impressions:
-The Pashtun tribes (a huge majority of the many tribal groups in eastern Afghanistan) are born fighters. If they have no one else to fight, they fight each other. It is their culture, and they have been doing it before they were Muslims. For those of you that don't know, Islam is a young religion and is one of the "newer" ones having been formed in 610 AD or thereabouts.
-The Afghans are in general Muslims. What I mean by that is, they were conquered and converted to Islam. Just like Christians (and every other religion I have encountered) some are more fundamental, and some are not. The typical Afghan is dirt-poor. I mean that in all its connotations. Survival is probably the major issue on any given day for a vast majority of its rural population. That takes precedence over almost everything else.
-The Afghans do not like the Taliban. Of course, if you are a Taliban guy standing in front of them with your AK, they will probably tell you that they do not like the Coalition. Makes sense to me. But the one constant thing that I heard straight from their mouths was that it is the "Foreigners" that create all the trouble. One mistake that I used to make and I am sure that others do the same, is assume that Islam is one big-happy family that ignores borders. I honestly thought that that was the truth. Any veteran or serious traveller to Islamic nations will find that this is not so. A foreigner (regardless of their religion) is a foreigner as far as the common villager is concerned.
-So the next thing I thought about was, "who is it that is forming groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban"?
Misfits. Rich, idle men from humongous Islamic families that have little hope of inheriting Dad's riches (because they are the 14th or 15th in line of inheritance), which means that their chance to get a wife (or two or three) is very poor. In fact, getting a wife is a very difficult prospect throughout the Middle East for many young men. There are also idiots in the US and Western Europe that think it is exciting to get into the latest and greatest anti-establishment craze.
The common Muslim that is fighting for the Taliban is one of two things: A tribesman (extended massive family/clan) of a cleric that has gained power and prestige by preaching fundamental Islam, or a tribesman that has been forced through the threat of overwhelming force and the promise of a steady pay-check to join the cause. A huge swath of Taliban are recruited from the NW province of Pakistan. Guns and money do all the speaking in that part of the world.
-Afghans always seemed to agree on who their biggest enemy was. Pakistan. Not Al-Qaeda, and not the Taliban. Pakistan. They don't trust them as far as they can throw them.
That is why I cannot take all of this training-camp in the US seriously. I am sure that there are instances where some pseudo-training is taking place here in the US, but I will bet you my Pakool (look it up, it is not a hidden cuss-word) that they are few and a joke.
Those folks that are serious about becoming members of nasty groups like Al-Qaeda and the like gravitate to places like Syria, Iran, Pakistan and the former Soviet Republics ending with "stan" in their name. That is where they train, rest and regroup, and infiltrate into Iraq and Afghanistan.
Being the kind of guy that I am, and that I was also sitting in the literal hot-bed of Islamic fundamentalist HQ along the Pakistan-border, I decided to look into the issue. I did this by reading and observing.
Reading is only as good as the source you are reading. Is it biased, is it factual?
Observing is the same. What exactly are you observing and how are you interpreting it (i.e., are you too biased to observe objectively)?
My job in Afghanistan was to go outside the wire and straight into the villages (there were no cities where I was at). My job was to interact directly with those turban-wearing, Islam-worshipping, beard-or-burkha wearing crazies we like to call Muslims.
I came away with a number of impressions:
-The Pashtun tribes (a huge majority of the many tribal groups in eastern Afghanistan) are born fighters. If they have no one else to fight, they fight each other. It is their culture, and they have been doing it before they were Muslims. For those of you that don't know, Islam is a young religion and is one of the "newer" ones having been formed in 610 AD or thereabouts.
-The Afghans are in general Muslims. What I mean by that is, they were conquered and converted to Islam. Just like Christians (and every other religion I have encountered) some are more fundamental, and some are not. The typical Afghan is dirt-poor. I mean that in all its connotations. Survival is probably the major issue on any given day for a vast majority of its rural population. That takes precedence over almost everything else.
-The Afghans do not like the Taliban. Of course, if you are a Taliban guy standing in front of them with your AK, they will probably tell you that they do not like the Coalition. Makes sense to me. But the one constant thing that I heard straight from their mouths was that it is the "Foreigners" that create all the trouble. One mistake that I used to make and I am sure that others do the same, is assume that Islam is one big-happy family that ignores borders. I honestly thought that that was the truth. Any veteran or serious traveller to Islamic nations will find that this is not so. A foreigner (regardless of their religion) is a foreigner as far as the common villager is concerned.
-So the next thing I thought about was, "who is it that is forming groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban"?
Misfits. Rich, idle men from humongous Islamic families that have little hope of inheriting Dad's riches (because they are the 14th or 15th in line of inheritance), which means that their chance to get a wife (or two or three) is very poor. In fact, getting a wife is a very difficult prospect throughout the Middle East for many young men. There are also idiots in the US and Western Europe that think it is exciting to get into the latest and greatest anti-establishment craze.
The common Muslim that is fighting for the Taliban is one of two things: A tribesman (extended massive family/clan) of a cleric that has gained power and prestige by preaching fundamental Islam, or a tribesman that has been forced through the threat of overwhelming force and the promise of a steady pay-check to join the cause. A huge swath of Taliban are recruited from the NW province of Pakistan. Guns and money do all the speaking in that part of the world.
-Afghans always seemed to agree on who their biggest enemy was. Pakistan. Not Al-Qaeda, and not the Taliban. Pakistan. They don't trust them as far as they can throw them.
That is why I cannot take all of this training-camp in the US seriously. I am sure that there are instances where some pseudo-training is taking place here in the US, but I will bet you my Pakool (look it up, it is not a hidden cuss-word) that they are few and a joke.
Those folks that are serious about becoming members of nasty groups like Al-Qaeda and the like gravitate to places like Syria, Iran, Pakistan and the former Soviet Republics ending with "stan" in their name. That is where they train, rest and regroup, and infiltrate into Iraq and Afghanistan.
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No kidding. Between all the beheadings, the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1992, the total destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001 and recent events in Mumbai resulting in the murder of 175 people at the hands of Muslim terrorists, people of the Western world have indeed gained a much more in-depth understanding of what Islam is truly about. For the slow learners, there will likely be many further world class events by which they can form their opinions as to the nature of Islam:he was trying to create bridges between the Muslim world and the Western world, trying to show the Western world what Islam is truly about
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