First AK47 on the way

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Re: First AK47 on the way

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Well, I went ahead and picked up some Tapco mags to try them out. Haven't gotten my rifle in the mail yet, otherwise I'd be out at the range right now.

My first impression of Tapco mag is.....Wow. These things are built like no other mag I've seen. If you've ever seen the Pmag torture test videos I'm thinking the Tapco mag may take even more torture. The ones I got were 20 rounders because they were out of 30 rounders. They are extremely stout compared to the Pmag and about the same weight. Now if function is as good as form, I'll probably pick up a few more of these.

Here's a few pics for your enjoyment, Tapco vs. Pmag:

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Re: First AK47 on the way

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Well, rifle came in today. I'm pleased with the rifle for the $350 spent. The packaging was terrible (cheap, thin box with everything throw in and a small piece of bubblewrap) but since it's an AK I didn't care much. If I had ordered an AR from Classicarms I might be a little ticked. So be aware when ordering anything nice from them. But my first impression of the rifle is pretty good. The fit and finish of the furniture is really nice. No wobble or looseness at all in any of the parts. The longer length stock is nice and pulls to the shoulder well. The action seems pretty smooth and sights don't appear canted. All the goodies it came with (oil bottle, bayonett, mag pouch, etc.) look like they have been sitting in a jungle for the past 30 years. Very nasty and dirty and I'll probably never use them.

As far as Tapco mags....I should have listened to everyone here. They are truly crap. I really wanted these things to work because they are built so well and look great. But I can't even get them into the mag well :( I know the mag well is fine because the steel mags insert very easily. The Crapco mags are too big and I tried for 10 minutes straight trying to get one seated but only resulted in boogering up the mags. So either my mag well is smaller than normal or other people are grinding their Crapco mags to get them to fit. Anyway, I'm gonna cool off a bit then give them another shot. If I can't get them seated then they're gng back to Crapco.

I'll get actual pictures up as soon as I can and hope to have a range report this weekend.
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Re: First AK47 on the way

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Well I hate to say it.....But I told you so.

I should have posted this up earlier
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=33971" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's always someone on the board that says Crapco/Blowmag works for them but its a toss up. On all my AKs I've gone with a US made grip.
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Sorry it didn't work out. Mine work as advertised. I also think the standard pistol grip is pretty small too.
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Re: First AK47 on the way

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I'm not so sure you will be dissapointed with the accuracy if its anything like my Chinese. Never had a scope on it and I shoot 2 to 3 inch groups with S & B ammo and I can't even see what I'm shootin at. It gobbles up any kind of ammo through any kind of mag I've put in it. I have really been impressed with it, but it does look like it was made at TDC.
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Re: First AK47 on the way

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As promised, here are some pictures of my new toy. Ironically, I have a pretty decent camera but I can't take pictures to save my life. Every picture I take looks like it was done with a 1 megapixel cellphone camera :)

As you can see, the furniture is much nicer than pictured on Classicarms. I'm really starting to like this rifle. The longer length stock is comparable to the position that I like my AR collapsable stocks. Andy C, I agree about the pistol grip. It feels very small. Almost like a broomstick handle. I may end up switching this out for a Hogue or Ergo to get a similar feel as my ARs.

Well Cajun, after about 30 tries I've managed to booger up the Tapco mags enough to get them in the mag well. I got a response back from Tapco pretty quickly letting me know that it's my mag well eventhough I told them my steel mags fit fine :roll:
check the sides of the mag opening. it's likely that there isn't enough clearance on the sides. WASR's are imported as single stack weapons, then have their mag wells opened by hand... literally a hand and some dremel-like tool. So each rifle will have a different size opening. Some too large, some to small, a few just right.


Anyway, I'll function test them this weekend hopefully. Even if they end up working ok, I probably wont' buy anymore since they require some break in effort just to get them in the gun :banghead:

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Re: First AK47 on the way

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You havn't even fired a round with the mags yet. Let me know how that works for you too :grumble
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Made it out to the range today. I'll post a range report later, running out to dinner. I'll just say.....STAY AWAY FROM TAPCO MAGS. I learned my lesson and will be attempting a refund on these junkers. Besides the Tapco issues, everything else was peachy. More to come.
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you think right now is the best time to buy an AK..... remember last year, AK's were running @ aound $700.
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Re: First AK47 on the way

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As promised, here's my range report.

Before leaving to the range
I thoroughly cleaned the rifle to remove all the packing grease, etc. The amount of grease/oil was normal for a newly purchased gun but I typically like to remove it all before shooting. I used Rem Oil everywhere in the gun. I've heard that AK47's can run dry without any issues, but I'm sure a little oil can't hurt.

I also decided to adjust the windage on the front sight. When I received the rifle the front sight post was pushed very far to the left (I guess I should have taken a picture). Coming from the AR world, I was thinking that was normal for an AK. I didn't realize that windage on an AK is adjusted on the front sight. Anyway, a few google searches and figured out that I need a front sight adjustment tool. Well, no time for that so I oiled up the front sight, got a big punch, supported against a 2x4 will hole drilled, and hammered the front sight post to center. Figured I'd get it close and pick up a tool at a later time.
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Next, I attempted to throw the rifle in my 36" rifle case and found that it doens't fit. Not sure if that is because the stock on this AK is longer than normal, but the slant brake would have torn up my case if I tried to squeeze it. So I'll probably end up buying a 42" case.

At the range

Realized I forgot the camera. Doh.

Accuracy
Most of the ranges in this area only allow HP or JHP so I ran by Walmart on the way to the range and picked up some expensive brass 7.69. Get to the range and figure out its FMJ :( In any case, this range did allow FMJ on their tactical bay so I was good to go. I set all my stuff up and decided I'd shoot one of my ARs first. Figured I'd get rid of any nerves or shakes with the AR so that I could shoot the AK better. I don't typically get nervous or shake much, but I had to go #1 really bad and didn't want to leave my stuff unattended. So I was a little fidgety because of all the water I drank that morning. In any case, shot the AR with backup sights at 25 yards and verified I was shooting my normal accuracy.
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Next up, the Wasr10. Now the whole time I shot the AR I only had one guy comment and ask what type of rifle I was shooting. Not much more than a sneeze though. After pulling the AK out I had 4 different people come by to stare and/or ask questions. I guess ARs are much more common at this range. Or people aren't used to seeing AKs without wood furniture. 3 of the 4 people had no idea what kind of gun it was. 1 guy just asked what kind of AK it was. All were pretty impressed with the price tag.

Now on to the good stuff. I shot about 5 rounds and found the windage to be pretty close but the elevation about 8 inches high. Windage I was pretty much stuck with due to lack of adjustment tool. For elevation I brought along a small pair of needle nose pliers that I used to make a few rotations and raise the front sight post. After another 15 shots or so I got it pretty decent and hit the bullseye a few times. I wasn't really looking for much accuracy out this gun so I was satisfied. I have very little patience when it comes to waiting for cease fires so I skip the whole 3/5/10 shot group and just keep shooting. Note: the shot at the top of the target on this one was the second shot of a double tap. I only tried this once because I found it hard to control, evident by the 2nd shot placement.
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Magazines
So I tried the Tapco mags first. With more effort than needed, I'm able to get one seated and start shooting. First round goes ok. Second round get's hung up going into the chamber. I clear that one, try again and it works. Fourth round get's hung again. I continue this for 40 rounds (2 mags) and find that the bullet is getting hung below the chamber about 50% of the time. Sometimes rendering the bullet useless. I got about 6 of these:
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I was ready to throw the Tapco mags down range and shoot at them but I'd like to get my money back on them. So I switch to surplus european mags for the next 160 rounds and like magic I don't have a single issue.

Recoil
Now I've shot alot of long guns in my life. Everything from .22 to .50 in a rifle. And up to 12 gauge in a shotgun. The best thing I can equate the recoil to is a 12 gauge. Most high caliber rifles I've fired, I've done so out of novelty or hunting. Both of which you're only shooting a few rounds at a time and typically wearing more than a t-shirt. I've done alot of shooting of 12gauge in a t-shirt but typically 200 rounds or less. To me, the recoil of the AK reminded me of shooting several rounds of skeet or sporting clays. My shoulder and right cheek were a little sore afterwards but nothing too bad. The recoil is definitely much more than an AR. I'm also thinking that wood furniture weighs more than polymer furniture and would probably absorb recoil a bit more. In any case, the recoil is very manageable but because you shoot an AK a few hundred rounds at a time it's felt more than your typical rifle.

Summary
Overall, I really, really like the AK47 platform. It's mind numbingly simple and it packs much more of a punch than an AR. A nice and reasonable trade off with the accuracy of the AR. I could care less about the debates and don't favor one over the other (well ok ARs are better looking). After buying one, I think it should be on the wish list of any gun owner. Now I need to buy a bunch more magazines (NOT TAPCO) and a few thousand rounds of ammo. Here's a couple of additional pics for your enjoyment :)

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Re: First AK47 on the way

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12 gauge level felt recoil?
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Terlingueno wrote:12 gauge level felt recoil?
Well, after thinking about it a bit, more like 20 gauge felt recoil. The slight bruising of my shoulder and mild soreness reminded me of shooting 4-5 consecutive rounds of skeet. No biggie, but definitely much more recoil than an AR. In fact, I don't see how those with underfolders or wire stocks can shoot an AK comfortably.
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Re: First AK47 on the way

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Just received my order of mags from AIM. For $10 a piece they're in great shape. Cleaned them up with some brake cleaner and put them in one of my bug out bags. I only have 200 rounds so I can't even fill up all the mags. Next on the list is a couple thousand rounds of 7.62.

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