Pedernales Electric Cooperative

[gigag04]

TAM:

Afaik, MPs aren't LEOs in TX. They are treated more like SAs (FBI, SS, DEA)

[bayouhazard]

TAM:

Afaik, MPs aren't LEOs in TX. They are treated more like SAs (FBI, SS, DEA)

Which means they get a pass on 46.02 (and 46.03?) but not 30.05 right? Technically. Although it's hard to imagine HPD arresting an ATF agent for carrying past a gunbuster sign.

[The Annoyed Man]

I have a question about 30.05 if you don't mind....

Since it is already against the law in the normal course of affairs for anyone except a peace officer, an armed security guard, or a CHL holder to carry a weapon in public (MPA excepted), what possible use does 30.05 still serve today? As I understand it, under 30.05:

Do you mean 30.05 generally (trespassing) or the sign at PEC specifically?

If the latter, it's generally not against the law to carry long guns in Texas (except where prohibited by 46.03) but the PEC sign would make it a violation of the trespass law to carry any firearm inside. (With some exceptions, such as 30.05(i) for peace officers.)

I was confining myself to handguns only. I thought the whole point of 30.06 in the first place is that 30.05 did not cover CHL.....or am I not remembering correctly?

Gigag04, does that mean that MP/FBI/SS/DEA cannot carry? I don't think that's right....unless I'm missing your point.

[gigag04]

Sure they can, just a distinction in powers of arrest and duties. I guess "peace officers" is a better distinction. Described in Ch 2 (sec 12??) of CCP.

[apostate]

If the latter, it's generally not against the law to carry long guns in Texas (except where prohibited by 46.03) but the PEC sign would make it a violation of the trespass law to carry any firearm inside. (With some exceptions, such as 30.05(i) for peace officers.)

I was confining myself to handguns only. I thought the whole point of 30.06 in the first place is that 30.05 did not cover CHL.....or am I not remembering correctly?

If we're talking handguns only then, yes, 30.05 has a defense to prosecution for CHL. However the top sign in the picture (the one that references 30.05) prohibits firearms in general, not just handguns. As mentioned on the previous page, this has the effect of banning rifles and shotguns (and NFA firearms presumably) even for CHL.

[RPB]

Frontal String Technology makes it easier to use a sling than a regular wider crossbow maybe

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunting/ ... t103854780" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crossbows aren't firearms.... no barrel and no explosion nor burning propellant
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /PE.46.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If that was 1/3 the price, I'd get one myself just to walk around @ PEC and keep for those mutant vampire zombies unaffected by bullets Seriously though, I really would like one for hunting; looks less cumbersome than a standard crossbow.

However, not being firearms, Texas Preemption law doesn't apply, and there may be city ordinances viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24961&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And 30.05 could apply if given oral/verbal notice to leave (Central Texas College has a "policy" against them AND any KNIFE with a blade over THREE inches in length.

I'm no lawyer

[srothstein]

TAM,

With three minor corrections, you have parsed the usefulness of the 30.05 sign correctly.

1. The law has been amended about uniformed security guards. It now allows for some quick stops, like to pay the electric bill, while armed on the way to or from work. An interesting side note to this would be that the 30.05 sign would apply to the security guards in the armored car that comes by to make a pick-up. While the law would allow them in, the 30.05 sign would not.

2. The exception for the military applies to anyone the military allows to carry. If, and it is a big presumption, some unit allowed an infantry company to carry firearms as part of their "duties" while off post, the law would allow them to carry but the sign would prevent them. As someone else also pointed out, Texas law does not recognize military LEO's as peace officers, so an Amry CID agent who carried his issued pistol on duty in plain clothes would be banned by this sign.

3. The traveler exception is still very questionable. Some people have argued that traveling only applies while actually in motion while some have argued it applies to the whole trip, including any hotel stay and travel around the destination city. I am not aware of any definitive court ruling on this other than the one say traveling is a fact to be determined by the jury.

Overall, I agree that the 30.05 sign is pretty much a useless waste of paper, but they may be worried about these very rare exceptions.