Jury Says Dallas Police Detective Acted With Malice in False

[03Lightningrocks]

Thing is DPD didn't shoot the guy that ran. They shot the passenger that stayed in the car when stopped (driver ran) and (per a witness) had his hands up. Still feel the same way?

Reading the story on that, it really seemed like not malice, but training/decision making issues with the officer. Not sure that deserves any civil award beyond actual medical costs.

That story is also a good example of the consequences of hanging out with bad people. Even if he was innocent, he was in the car with someone running from the cops which put him in the position where a cop had a gun pointed at him. Bad things can happen whether deserved or not.

Yep... scum got what he deserved! These thugs break laws and act like the word fair is suppose to apply to them Wrong. They deserve what ever happens to them. But hey, I bet he was a good boy who loves his momma. Maybe the libtards would like us to make a law that once the piece of garbage has gotten at least 50 feet from the crime scene, we should forgive them. Like I said, I am sick to my gullet with garbage like that.

Run from the cops, risk getting shot. I like the way it works.

[cb1000rider]

Just to make sure I'm hearing you right: if you're in a car with someone that runs from the cops, you deserve to be shot even if you comply with officers?

I screwed up as a kid. I didn't run a complete background check on everyone that I got into the car with. I accepted rides from people that I didn't always have complete backgrounds on. Heck, even as an adult, I know I've ridden with co-workers that I didn't know that well.

[VMI77]

Seems like the DPD has some issues to work through. Stuff like this keep popping up.

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That looked like an attempted execution. I think she should be in prison for attempted murder.

I disagree. The moment they decided to run from the police, they lost the right to breath air. People committing violent crimes deserve what ever happens to them. If we could get these animals to work instead of smoking crack and gang banging, the zoo keepers wouldn't have to shoot the animals. They are apparently not afraid of the punishment. A shoot all gang bangers on sight policy would be great. I am one person who has had enough of the violent crime by thugs who respect nothing and nobody.

Here's my problem with that......first, I think the police should not have special rights to kill that the rest of us don't have, therefore, I think the police should suffer the same consequences as citizens for the same acts. If that car had been rolling up on my lawn like that, and I shot an unarmed passenger, I'd go to prison. If us mundanes would go to prison for the same act a cop should too.

Secondly, you're making an assumption about the passenger, which is also what the officer did --that he was an equal partner in the crime committed. Logically, we know the driver is guilty, but it is conceivable the passenger was not party to the crime. I think you're imaginative enough to see the many ways that is possible.

Thirdly, the police are supposed to obey as well as enforce the law. Though you may wish it to be so, there is no automatic death penalty that the police get to impose when you run from them. For one thing, such a penalty does not fit our legal system, which considers it just to impose penalties in accordance with the severity of the crime. For another thing, properly, it is the courts that effectively administer the death penalty. The police don't get to judge, jury, and execute. And finally, such a law would effectively be a license for the police to kill just about anyone at any time, since all they'd have to do is claim the person they shot was running away. Now, I think there are times when shooting a fleeing suspect would/should be justified, principally, when that suspect is armed and his escape would be a danger to others --such as a guy who just shot a convenience store clerk and is being chased by the police, and may escape custody.

Lastly, I think you're conflating rank and file police with those who set police policy. Even without shooting gang bangers on sight, the police could do a LOT more to shut down gangs and individual criminal activity, if the rest of the system didn't actually seek the opposite result. For instance, when one of these thugs is caught with a gun, the courts impose the same maximum sentence it would impose on people like you and me. What I'm saying, IOW, is that we have the crime problems we have because that's what the politicians and the liberal judges want. They don't want gang violence to end. They don't want to disarm criminals. The "State" has no interest in that kind of peace because it reduces dependency on the State.

[03Lightningrocks]

....."Abraham"............

Thirdly, the police are supposed to obey as well as enforce the law. Though you may wish it to be so, there is no automatic death penalty that the police get to impose when you run from them. For one thing, such a penalty does not fit our legal system, which considers it just to impose penalties in accordance with the severity of the crime. For another thing, properly, it is the courts that effectively administer the death penalty. The police don't get to judge, jury, and execute. And finally, such a law would effectively be a license for the police to kill just about anyone at any time, since all they'd have to do is claim the person they shot was running away. Now, I think there are times when shooting a fleeing suspect would/should be justified, principally, when that suspect is armed and his escape would be a danger to others --such as a guy who just shot a convenience store clerk and is being chased by the police, and may escape custody.

Lastly, I think you're conflating rank and file police with those who set police policy. Even without shooting gang bangers on sight, the police could do a LOT more to shut down gangs and individual criminal activity, if the rest of the system didn't actually seek the opposite result. For instance, when one of these thugs is caught with a gun, the courts impose the same maximum sentence it would impose on people like you and me. What I'm saying, IOW, is that we have the crime problems we have because that's what the politicians and the liberal judges want. They don't want gang violence to end. They don't want to disarm criminals. The "State" has no interest in that kind of peace because it reduces dependency on the State.

I agree with much of what you say here but I want to be clear about something. I don't think fleeing from a cop should be an automatic death penalty, but I do think they should shoot to stop them from getting away. If they die, oh well. I have no sympathy for any scum bag that commits serious crimes. In particular, violent crimes. The minute those thugs decided to have a car chase, they decided that if they killed an innocent bystander it was OK. All they cared about was themselves and trying to escape punishment.They were risking the lives of anyone and everyone they crossed paths with. The passenger made the decision to join in the crime. Not being the driver makes no difference to me. This situation is proof positive that we reap what we sow.

I don't think that cop shot the scum bag on purpose. I think she had her gun in her hand, finger on the trigger. heart beat and adrenaline at the max. Then she sees this scum bag and reacts by pulling the trigger. He put himself in that position and as the old saying goes... Stuff happens. I see this no different than if a person breaks into my home and falls down the stairs breaking his neck while trying to cart off my TV. Is it my fault for not having safe stairs for this guy to walk down?

I am of the belief that if a person is committing a crime, they own anything and everything that happens to them.

I would be willing to bet that you and I would probably have more benefit of the doubt in this same situation. I believe they are holding that cop to a higher standard because they feel she has had training to prevent mistakes like this.

Maybe we are coming from two different opinions. I see the police as beneficial and serving a purpose. I see them as friend not foe. I have zero contempt for them and my only experiences with them have been positive. Yeah, I have run into one or two with an attitude but we all occasionally get an attitude while working. I am not about cops abusing their authority with the average citizen. But when they are having to deal with punk thugs who would kill me, you or our loved ones with no more of a thought than stepping on a bug, I say... to heck with them. Blast away!

To sum it up. I am old school. If you are breaking the law, you are risking and deserve what ever you get. Nobody to blame for the consequences other than yourself.

[VMI77]

I don't think that cop shot the scum bag on purpose. I think she had her gun in her hand, finger on the trigger. heart beat and adrenaline at the max. Then she sees this scum bag and reacts by pulling the trigger. He put himself in that position and as the old saying goes... Stuff happens. I see this no different than if a person breaks into my home and falls down the stairs breaking his neck while trying to cart off my TV. Is it my fault for not having safe stairs for this guy to walk down?

I am of the belief that if a person is committing a crime, they own anything and everything that happens to them.

I would be willing to bet that you and I would probably have more benefit of the doubt in this same situation. I believe they are holding that cop to a higher standard because they feel she has had training to prevent mistakes like this.

Maybe we are coming from two different opinions. I see the police as beneficial and serving a purpose. I see them as friend not foe. I have zero contempt for them and my only experiences with them have been positive. Yeah, I have run into one or two with an attitude but we all occasionally get an attitude while working. I am not about cops abusing their authority with the average citizen. But when they are having to deal with punk thugs who would kill me, you or our loved ones with no more of a thought than stepping on a bug, I say... to heck with them. Blast away!

To sum it up. I am old school. If you are breaking the law, you are risking and deserve what ever you get. Nobody to blame for the consequences other than yourself.

I would guess you're right on that count based on the video. It looks like she draws and shoots so quickly that the shot was possibly inadvertent --a startle response. Hey, I'm a law and order guy, I just also happen to believe that everyone should be equal before the law....by which I don't mean thug equal to law abiding citizen...but that the law is enforced without privilege or prejudice. That's probably an ideal that can never be attained, but when the police do wrong they need to be held to account. The problem, as I see it, is not with the rank and file officers out there patrolling the streets, it's with the judges, politicians, prosecutors, and police officials who set policy. There is no police department with good leadership and bad cops (because good leadership cuts the bad ones from the ranks as soon as they're exposed). I think we all know that big city police departments tend to be infected with liberal police chiefs and liberal mayors and that tends to degrade just about all forms of policing.

[03Lightningrocks]

....."Abraham"(snip)....

I would guess you're right on that count based on the video. It looks like she draws and shoots so quickly that the shot was possibly inadvertent --a startle response. Hey, I'm a law and order guy, I just also happen to believe that everyone should be equal before the law....by which I don't mean thug equal to law abiding citizen...but that the law is enforced without privilege or prejudice. That's probably an ideal that can never be attained, but when the police do wrong they need to be held to account. The problem, as I see it, is not with the rank and file officers out there patrolling the streets, it's with the judges, politicians, prosecutors, and police officials who set policy. There is no police department with good leadership and bad cops (because good leadership cuts the bad ones from the ranks as soon as they're exposed). I think we all know that big city police departments tend to be infected with liberal police chiefs and liberal mayors and that tends to degrade just about all forms of policing.

I cannot argue with that. You have some very good points.

[Hector]

I thought Texas got rid of the Fleeing Felon rule and I don't think we ever had a Friend of Fleeing Felon rule.

[VoiceofReason]

03Lightningrocks wrote:

I see the police as beneficial and serving a purpose. I see them as friend not foe. I have zero contempt for them and my only experiences with them have been positive.

When I worked LE, after careful consideration, I told the Chief Deputy I would not work with a certain officer. The guy might get one or both of us killed or in trouble over him killing or injuring an innocent bystander. I got my wish and was partnered with another officer and I understand he got the County sued because he hurt a man and his son.

Many are good, some aren’t.

[03Lightningrocks]

03Lightningrocks wrote:

I see the police as beneficial and serving a purpose. I see them as friend not foe. I have zero contempt for them and my only experiences with them have been positive.

When I worked LE, after careful consideration, I told the Chief Deputy I would not work with a certain officer. The guy might get one or both of us killed or in trouble over him killing or injuring an innocent bystander. I got my wish and was partnered with another officer and I understand he got the County sued because he hurt a man and his son.

Many are good, some aren’t.

First, for your service. Second... and do believe that the majority are good men and women.

[OldCurlyWolf]

03Lightningrocks wrote:

I see the police as beneficial and serving a purpose. I see them as friend not foe. I have zero contempt for them and my only experiences with them have been positive.

When I worked LE, after careful consideration, I told the Chief Deputy I would not work with a certain officer. The guy might get one or both of us killed or in trouble over him killing or injuring an innocent bystander. I got my wish and was partnered with another officer and I understand he got the County sued because he hurt a man and his son.

Many are good, some aren’t.

First, for your service. Second... and do believe that the majority are good men and women.

From firsthand experience, Voice is correct and so it Lightning.