There is no process for deleting records, though. Even if he sent a letter asking for his CHL to be deleted, there is no legislative power for DPS to do that. He will remain a CHL holder, his DL will still reflect he is licensed. Once it expires and is not renewed, it will be treated the same as like licenses.cb1000rider wrote:My guess - get off lists that can be used by law enforcement. It's a good indicator that you're armed. Some LEOs treat armed people differently. Differently bad, not differently good.jbarn wrote:Just curious... what do you hope to accomplish by sending it back?
I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
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Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
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Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
[quote="jbarn"]Just curious... what do you hope to accomplish by sending it back?[/quote]
If I don't carry but keep the CHL, I might change my mind, out of habit. I carried for a long time. If I shred the license myself, I'll get a renewal notice and I might change my mind then. If I return it to DPS, more likely I won't get that renewal notice and if I change my mind then, later on? It's probably a new application, but I don't know about that, the main reason I posted this question.
I have no illusions about getting off a database, that's not possible, just like expunctions that remain forever, guaranteed. All that achieves is confirmation of innocence, information which MIGHT get somebody in trouble for revealing it. I've held several state licenses unrelated to firearms and vehicles and I'll be on those lists forever. I expect my CHL no. will be linked to my DL for the duration.
I'm reasonably confident current Texas officials would resist confiscation and refuse federal requests for information, but that's today. Who knows what tomorrow might bring? The population of Texas continues to surge; no shortage of illegals are in the mix (for the record, I am Spanish speaking, have a naturalized US citizen wife from South America originally, a foreign, natural born US citizen son [platoon commander USMC] and a naturalized US citizen father, former Nazi war refugee from Europe - I love legal immigration, no matter what country) Nobody knows how the vote from the newly amnestied crowd will break if the Feds grant citizenship. All the political talk says Dems will get pasted this November but who knows, really? Could a political trend in Texas insert enough gun grabber voters here to hurt Texas gun rights? Reality is that Latinos, a crowd I am intimately familiar with, usually do not get it regarding firearms.
If I don't carry but keep the CHL, I might change my mind, out of habit. I carried for a long time. If I shred the license myself, I'll get a renewal notice and I might change my mind then. If I return it to DPS, more likely I won't get that renewal notice and if I change my mind then, later on? It's probably a new application, but I don't know about that, the main reason I posted this question.
I have no illusions about getting off a database, that's not possible, just like expunctions that remain forever, guaranteed. All that achieves is confirmation of innocence, information which MIGHT get somebody in trouble for revealing it. I've held several state licenses unrelated to firearms and vehicles and I'll be on those lists forever. I expect my CHL no. will be linked to my DL for the duration.
I'm reasonably confident current Texas officials would resist confiscation and refuse federal requests for information, but that's today. Who knows what tomorrow might bring? The population of Texas continues to surge; no shortage of illegals are in the mix (for the record, I am Spanish speaking, have a naturalized US citizen wife from South America originally, a foreign, natural born US citizen son [platoon commander USMC] and a naturalized US citizen father, former Nazi war refugee from Europe - I love legal immigration, no matter what country) Nobody knows how the vote from the newly amnestied crowd will break if the Feds grant citizenship. All the political talk says Dems will get pasted this November but who knows, really? Could a political trend in Texas insert enough gun grabber voters here to hurt Texas gun rights? Reality is that Latinos, a crowd I am intimately familiar with, usually do not get it regarding firearms.
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Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
[quote="Jim88"]Be aware that sending back the license with the belief that you'll be taken "off the list" may or may not happen. I'm a software engineer and database analyst and we NEVER really delete data. It may get archived or it may just get a simple flag on your record to make it appear deleted. For example, we have several million records for various people. Each person has a field on their record named isDeleted. We simply set that from 0 to 1 if it gets "deleted". If someone really wanted to know if you've EVER carried, they could probably pull that off.[/quote]
Thank you, Jim. My typical user knowledge of databases tells me you are dead on accurate. I never expect to really be off the list.
Thank you, Jim. My typical user knowledge of databases tells me you are dead on accurate. I never expect to really be off the list.
Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
Former, you are doing exactly what a certain gentleman was talking about many years ago, you are giving up liberty for a false sense of security and therefore you deserve to have neither. sorry but its the truth, may you live in interesting times Former I hope it all works out for you
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Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
[quote="JP171"]Former, you are doing exactly what a certain gentleman was talking about many years ago, you are giving up liberty for a false sense of security and therefore you deserve to have neither. sorry but its the truth, may you live in interesting times Former I hope it all works out for you[/quote]
Interesting comment and thank you. Yes, our Founding Fathers were accurate, your comment well placed. There's a difference between exercising rights and giving them up. Rights are collective, exercised by each individual as s/he chooses yet always, ALWAYS, available to all. I have changed my mind on exercising one personal aspect of our rights; I do not suggest anyone else do so. Most Texas adults eligible to obtain a CHL do not. My sense of security is not false unarmed; it happened to me when I WAS armed. You might disagree, as you should where you believe so, yet I do not walk in your boots and cannot suggest your approach or belief. That works both ways. One suggestion I do have, cease to say you're sorry if you believe your opinion might seem contradictory. None of us should ever express regret, sorrow or say "pardon me" for offering heartfelt opinions, even if done through the quick use of a common expression such as "sorry". This is how the term "assault rifle" - which does not exist - has infected popular speech. Illegal immigrant is another example; immigrants can't be illegal. Unauthorized entry disqualifies lawful residence, that isn't migrating in, rather invading.
I was only curious if anyone here - the best informed Texans on concealed carry in our state - might know yet this has set in motion an interesting side conversation.
I would prefer we adopt an Arizona system; law abiding adults may open carry or conceal a sidearm without a license. Certainly rights are not absolute, I would never argue restrictions there should not be, however we have always allowed adults to carry long arms without permission, why not all firearms? No law enforcement permission is required to carry an axe, chain saw or sledgehammer. I take issue with an agency controlled by politicians supervising rights, sometimes abusing them horribly. I don't trust politicians. The Texas CHL law provision that permits LEOs to disarm citizens at their whim is wrong and is an open door for abuse, and IS abused. Shoot, look how many LEOs arrest people for taking pictures?
Anyway, thank you for the comment.
Interesting comment and thank you. Yes, our Founding Fathers were accurate, your comment well placed. There's a difference between exercising rights and giving them up. Rights are collective, exercised by each individual as s/he chooses yet always, ALWAYS, available to all. I have changed my mind on exercising one personal aspect of our rights; I do not suggest anyone else do so. Most Texas adults eligible to obtain a CHL do not. My sense of security is not false unarmed; it happened to me when I WAS armed. You might disagree, as you should where you believe so, yet I do not walk in your boots and cannot suggest your approach or belief. That works both ways. One suggestion I do have, cease to say you're sorry if you believe your opinion might seem contradictory. None of us should ever express regret, sorrow or say "pardon me" for offering heartfelt opinions, even if done through the quick use of a common expression such as "sorry". This is how the term "assault rifle" - which does not exist - has infected popular speech. Illegal immigrant is another example; immigrants can't be illegal. Unauthorized entry disqualifies lawful residence, that isn't migrating in, rather invading.
I was only curious if anyone here - the best informed Texans on concealed carry in our state - might know yet this has set in motion an interesting side conversation.
I would prefer we adopt an Arizona system; law abiding adults may open carry or conceal a sidearm without a license. Certainly rights are not absolute, I would never argue restrictions there should not be, however we have always allowed adults to carry long arms without permission, why not all firearms? No law enforcement permission is required to carry an axe, chain saw or sledgehammer. I take issue with an agency controlled by politicians supervising rights, sometimes abusing them horribly. I don't trust politicians. The Texas CHL law provision that permits LEOs to disarm citizens at their whim is wrong and is an open door for abuse, and IS abused. Shoot, look how many LEOs arrest people for taking pictures?
Anyway, thank you for the comment.
Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
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Re: I sent my CHL back to DPS; what happens?
Tex. Gov't Code §411.207 didn't grant that authority, it already existed. This provision was a meaningless feel-good provision that was necessary to get SB60 passed.Former CHL Holder wrote:The Texas CHL law provision that permits LEOs to disarm citizens at their whim is wrong and is an open door for abuse, and IS abused.
I think you've made your position abundantly clear; you don't trust the government or politicians. We don't need to read more everyone-in-government-is-out-to-get-me posts. It's starting to appear that you joined the Forum just to use it as a soapbox for such posts. We're not the Texas version of the National Inquirer.
Chas.
