Bexar County deputies shoot man during disturbance call

[puma guy]

Way too little information to make any sort of judgment. I refuse to join the bone pile at the base of that cliff known as conclusion.

[talltex]

If he did indeed beat up on his wife and kid, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over this. It's unfortunate that the officers involved are probably going to be tried and convicted in the court of the media, but they did the community a service regardless.

NO.

ABSOLUTELY NO!

IF they shot this man without sufficient justification it is a criminal act...not a community service.

[EEllis]

Full video. It doesn't look like he reached for anything or like he posed a threat at that point.

http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclus ... d-shooting

A video that far away, that shaky, and without sound of the incident, is only really useful to verify statements against.

I'm sure we could tell even from this sloppy video like this one, that the man didn't charge the deputies or reach for a weapon. He may have been threatening but the only audio you can make out from the incident is the gun shots. I'm sure if he did charge, we could of clearly seen it. If he was armed it would of been mentioned by the sheriffs office by now.

And if that is the reason then the video will show the statements to be false as I indicated above. It by itself is not clear enough to be much use for anything else.

[rbwhatever1]

The full video version doesn't look very good for the LEO. Society has enough problems with todays environment and stuff like this makes it harder for all LEOs.

[b322da]

If he did indeed beat up on his wife and kid, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over this. It's unfortunate that the officers involved are probably going to be tried and convicted in the court of the media, but they did the community a service regardless.

This attitude, which has a citizen condoning execution by the police without trial, conviction and sentencing, without adequate justification, regardless of the true facts of this case, causes me to question giving a person having such an attitude any rights at all under the second amendment, including that of having a Texas CHL. I can easily imagine someone with this attitude walking around with an openly exposed deadly handgun come the first of next year, prepared to do the community a service.

Jim

[Javier730]

The deputies have people calling in threats against them.

http://news4sanantonio.com/m/news/featu ... eWdZmko7qA

[Javier730]

If he did indeed beat up on his wife and kid, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over this. It's unfortunate that the officers involved are probably going to be tried and convicted in the court of the media, but they did the community a service regardless.

I understand what you mean Taypo. This man had no problem hurting the people who were closest to him, imagine what he would do to someone he didn't know or care about. Not saying it's right but anyone who says they dont condone this would probably have a different opinion if this man had hurt their loved ones. I too will not lose sleep over this just like I don't lose sleep when a home invader gets killed.

[Taypo]

If he did indeed beat up on his wife and kid, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over this. It's unfortunate that the officers involved are probably going to be tried and convicted in the court of the media, but they did the community a service regardless.

This attitude, which has a citizen condoning execution by the police without trial, conviction and sentencing, without adequate justification, regardless of the true facts of this case, causes me to question giving a person having such an attitude any rights at all under the second amendment, including that of having a Texas CHL. I can easily imagine someone with this attitude walking around with an openly exposed deadly handgun come the first of next year, prepared to do the community a service.

Jim

Funniest thing I've seen in a while, Jim. Thanks for the chuckle. I can easily imagine someone doing a bare minimum of research into my posts here on this forum to find out exactly where I stand on OC.

It's a good thing you're not the person that gives out 2A rights. What other opinions do you feel are so incorrect that the person holding them should forfeit their rights?

[Taypo]

If he did indeed beat up on his wife and kid, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over this. It's unfortunate that the officers involved are probably going to be tried and convicted in the court of the media, but they did the community a service regardless.

I understand what you mean Taypo. This man had no problem hurting the people who were closest to him, imagine what he would do to someone he didn't know or care about. Not saying it's right but anyone who says they dont condone this would probably have a different opinion if this man had hurt their loved ones. I too will not lose sleep over this just like I don't lose sleep when a home invader gets killed.

[mojo84]

Street side "justice" is not what this country needs and is further evidence of the deterioration of American values and rights. It doesn't matter how good one feels about it being administered or how much one thinks it is deserved. It is contrary to the values we should hold dear and protect.

If they did take it upon themselves to administer some street side "justice" as it appears they did in the video, they should be punished accordingly. Us condoning or accepting streetside "justice" is almost as bad as participating in it.

This video reminds me of the mentally handicapped guy that was outside sitting in the parking lot in a chair and standing. The cop shot him and claimed the guy charged him when it was quite obvious in the video he didn't.

If situations like this keep happening, the escalation of the race war and violence will continue.

[Taypo]

Street side "justice" is not what this country needs and is further evidence of the deterioration of American values and rights. It doesn't matter how good one feels about it being administered or how much one thinks it is deserved. It is contrary to the values we should hold dear and protect.

If they did take it upon themselves to administer some street side "justice" as it appears they did in the video, they should be punished accordingly. Us condoning or accepting streetside "justice" is almost as bad as participating in it.

This video reminds me of the mentally handicapped guy that was outside sitting in the parking lot in a chair and standing. The cop shot him and claimed the guy charged him when it was quite obvious in the video he didn't.

If situations like this keep happening, the escalation of the race war and violence will continue.

I respect your opinions so please don't misinterpret this, Mojo. The values of this country have been twisted so far out of line that I don't know if they'll ever be straight again. We've got near riots with people advocating killing cops, we've got marches because someone killed herself in jail, we've got deputies being shot while pumping gas and we've got a president that has obviously chosen sides. Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, feel anything other than relief that someone like this is not a problem anymore? Our rights are under attack daily - why should it be a one sided affair?

[JALLEN]

I respect your opinions so please don't misinterpret this, Mojo. The values of this country have been twisted so far out of line that I don't know if they'll ever be straight again. We've got near riots with people advocating killing cops, we've got marches because someone killed herself in jail, we've got deputies being shot while pumping gas and we've got a president that has obviously chosen sides. Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, feel anything other than relief that someone like this is not a problem anymore? Our rights are under attack daily - why should it be a one sided affair?

Either you believe in the rule of law, or you do not. I concede that some recent events might erode confidence in the rule of law operating as intended or expected, but we need to restore confidence, not throw it to the winds.

Maybe we need to round up a posse comitatus.

[mojo84]

Street side "justice" is not what this country needs and is further evidence of the deterioration of American values and rights. It doesn't matter how good one feels about it being administered or how much one thinks it is deserved. It is contrary to the values we should hold dear and protect.

If they did take it upon themselves to administer some street side "justice" as it appears they did in the video, they should be punished accordingly. Us condoning or accepting street side "justice" is almost as bad as participating in it.

This video reminds me of the mentally handicapped guy that was outside sitting in the parking lot in a chair and standing. The cop shot him and claimed the guy charged him when it was quite obvious in the video he didn't.

If situations like this keep happening, the escalation of the race war and violence will continue.

I respect your opinions so please don't misinterpret this, Mojo. The values of this country have been twisted so far out of line that I don't know if they'll ever be straight again. We've got near riots with people advocating killing cops, we've got marches because someone killed herself in jail, we've got deputies being shot while pumping gas and we've got a president that has obviously chosen sides. Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, feel anything other than relief that someone like this is not a problem anymore? Our rights are under attack daily - why should it be a one sided affair?

I agree with you up to a point. We should all be ready to defend ourselves and be willing to fight for our rights and safety. With that I have no problem. The bolded part is where I disagree. I know these principles sound cliché but I do believe they apply. Never does two wrongs make something right. The end does not justify the means. The other side, liberal progressives, race baiters, anti-gunners and country hater's violate these regularly. The war we are fighting is a righteous war and there are righteous ways to fight it.

Let me ask a similar question as what has already been asked earlier about if it was a family member that was beaten and would we feel different. If you are the one that is standing there with your arms up, would you want the cops to decide to exterminate you? What if there was a misunderstanding and/or you were falsely identified as the perpetrator? Would you consider it a miscarriage of justice if the cops decided to exterminate you?

I think people need to employ at least a bit of empathy when considering these situations.

JMHO and not intended to attack or criticize anyone.

[talltex]

I respect your opinions so please don't misinterpret this, Mojo. The values of this country have been twisted so far out of line that I don't know if they'll ever be straight again. We've got near riots with people advocating killing cops, we've got marches because someone killed herself in jail, we've got deputies being shot while pumping gas and we've got a president that has obviously chosen sides. Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, feel anything other than relief that someone like this is not a problem anymore? Our rights are under attack daily - why should it be a one sided affair?

Either you believe in the rule of law, or you do not. I concede that some recent events might erode confidence in the rule of law operating as intended or expected, but we need to restore confidence, not throw it to the winds.

Maybe we need to round up a posse comitatus.

There can be no situation where it is considered OK for an officer of the law to decide it's within his authority to administer the death penalty to anyone that is not posing an immediate and legitimate threat that falls within the defined boundaries for justifiable use of deadly force. Once that line is crossed they are guilty of taking the law in their own hands and depriving a citizen of his rights and his life.

[Taypo]

Street side "justice" is not what this country needs and is further evidence of the deterioration of American values and rights. It doesn't matter how good one feels about it being administered or how much one thinks it is deserved. It is contrary to the values we should hold dear and protect.

If they did take it upon themselves to administer some street side "justice" as it appears they did in the video, they should be punished accordingly. Us condoning or accepting street side "justice" is almost as bad as participating in it.

This video reminds me of the mentally handicapped guy that was outside sitting in the parking lot in a chair and standing. The cop shot him and claimed the guy charged him when it was quite obvious in the video he didn't.

If situations like this keep happening, the escalation of the race war and violence will continue.

I respect your opinions so please don't misinterpret this, Mojo. The values of this country have been twisted so far out of line that I don't know if they'll ever be straight again. We've got near riots with people advocating killing cops, we've got marches because someone killed herself in jail, we've got deputies being shot while pumping gas and we've got a president that has obviously chosen sides. Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, feel anything other than relief that someone like this is not a problem anymore? Our rights are under attack daily - why should it be a one sided affair?

I agree with you up to a point. We should all be ready to defend ourselves and be willing to fight for our rights and safety. With that I have no problem. The bolded part is where I disagree. I know these principles sound cliché but I do believe they apply. Never does two wrongs make something right. The end does not justify the means. The other side, liberal progressives, race baiters, anti-gunners and country hater's violate these regularly. The war we are fighting is a righteous war and there are righteous ways to fight it.

Let me ask a similar question as what has already been asked earlier about if it was a family member that was beaten and would we feel different. If you are the one that is standing there with your arms up, would you want the cops to decide to exterminate you? What if there was a misunderstanding and/or you were falsely identified as the perpetrator? Would you consider it a miscarriage of justice if the cops decided to exterminate you?

I think people need to employ at least a bit of empathy when considering these situations.

JMHO and not intended to attack or criticize anyone.

Empathy would imply that I, or anyone, can understand the feelings of someone that was pacing his yard like a crack head while a woman and infant were bleeding nearby. Not gonna happen. I don't have the feels to make myself sad over this one.