Of course, the first thing that came to me after reading this exchange was:VMI77 wrote:I was going to make an analogy more along the lines of your discussion. I didn't because I don't think Bloomy has anything but the most superficial liberal notion of what Christians believe. I don't think his locution was a reference to Jesus in the sense of what Christians believe because I don't think he understands "belief" as you do. I think he was saying "I believe in science and particularly the science of evolution."allisji wrote:I was thinking about the phrase "believe in Darwin as well." Clearly I agree with you. I almost posted this 3 hours ago but decided to withhold my theological/philosophical opinion from the gun forum, but of course this is the "Off-topic" section.
I assume that the intent of his phraseology to was suggest that he doesn't believe in the Creator God. It seems a roundabout way to say that he doesn't believe in God. And when I thought a little deeper about it. He was saying in a way that he actually believes that Darwin's theories will save his soul from torment. In other words, he believes in Darwin for salvation (in kind of a backwards sort of way).
I am sure that he would say that he believes that Jesus was a good man and a good teacher, but that Jesus's assertions about being the son of God and the way to salvation are ridiculous. Just as I would say that I'm sure that Darwin may have been a good man and a good biologist, but his denial of the Gospel has become a source of great deception in our world.
As for me, I believe in the Bible and the Creation story. Do I know how God created the universe or the planet or the creatures. I think that He intentionally left some details out of his book, because they have nothing to do with our salvation. I wasn't there. I don't know if Darwin's theories have any merit or not. But I do believe that God sends famines and floods, meteors and ice ages and that he is in control of which species exist and for how long and for what purpose. I'm not short earther, but if God wanted to create the earth and everything in it he could certainly do it in whatever time frame he wanted, because He is not constrained by time. Time, as we know it, is a human invention anyway based on the earth's rotations and revolutions.VMI77 wrote:I don't know what it means to "believe in Darwin." I guess I believe in him too....the historical record seems to present sufficient evidence that he existed. I wonder if he believes in Stalin, Karl Marx, and Saul Alinsky too? It seems to be a rather strange way to express a belief in a scientific theory...sort of like saying "I believe in Einstein" instead of saying "I believe in the theory of relativity."The Annoyed Man wrote:The great uniter.Every one of my positions cuts out half the country. I'm pro-choice, I'm pro-gay rights, I'm pro-immigration, I'm against guns, I believe in Darwin."
But then, being "pro-immigration" is also a meaningless statement, as is "pro gay rights." Just another indication of what a sleazy pathological lying narcissist he is.
IOW, he was saying "I believe in science, not God," and in a particular aspect of science that contradicts Biblical Christianity. However, instead of saying "I believe in evolution" he said "I believe in "Darwin" because Darwin is a man, thereby rejecting the divinity, and because it targets a specific audience: Christians who embrace Jesus and reject evolution and the liberals who hold them in contempt. Most Americans who aren't Christians or anti-Christian liberals probably don't even know who Darwin is.
Still, the statement, "I believe in science" is nearly as vapid as the statement "I believe in Darwin," especially today. When people like Bloomy say "I believe in science" what they're really saying is that "I'm not superstitious like all you rubes that believe in God." It's an expression of both moral and intellectual superiority, but it seems more than a little naive at a time when a whole lot of "science" is bought and paid for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSy1NQx2bJE
....and......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6OfQ8M3Eyk
I know. I am a bad boy.
Sorry..... carry on.
