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Soccerdad1995 wrote:According to the report, there were over a dozen motorcyclists. This sounds eerily similar to the incident in New York a couple years ago where the bikers slashed an SUV's tires and ultimately dragged the driver out of his vehicle and badly beat him.

I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.

You mean after the driver of the SUV had run over one of the bikers and driven off? Big difference...

Will be very interested to see what charges come of this. He definitely should not be carrying.
In the article, the idiot says he's "trained". This really makes our cause look bad and hurts the argument of "training" when idiots like this claim they are as well.

maverick2076 wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:According to the report, there were over a dozen motorcyclists. This sounds eerily similar to the incident in New York a couple years ago where the bikers slashed an SUV's tires and ultimately dragged the driver out of his vehicle and badly beat him.

I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.

You mean after the driver of the SUV had run over one of the bikers and driven off? Big difference...

Way to half tell a story! Bravo!!!

The biker he ran over had slowed him down to a stop in the middle of the freeway (doesn't sound so bloodthirsty that way, though). Then the other bikers surrounded his SUV and were beating on it and trying to pull the doors open. Finally, in a panic, the guy hit the gas and ran over the biker who was dumb enough to still be in front of the SUV.

How many times has it been said on this forum that if you're in your vehicle when trouble develops, your right foot is your best defense?

Having said that and watched the other videos about the current incident, I believe this truck driver was wrong on every level and should not even own a firearm.

WOW what a rush to judgement. You see 20 seconds of video, don't know the entire context, don't know what the bikers had been doing to him and you are ready to hang him.

This is one to wait on to come to judgement.

stroo wrote:WOW what a rush to judgement. You see 20 seconds of video, don't know the entire context, don't know what the bikers had been doing to him and you are ready to hang him.

This is one to wait on to come to judgement.

You're right that he may be justified in having his gun ready… we don't know the full context, BUT (yes that word invalidates everything before it )

He does deserve some hanging. He pointed a gun at someone who was not threatening him. (Again, have it ready is fine, but pointing it and waving it around with his FINGER ON THE TRIGGER… NOT FINE)
Secondly, he was clearly letting his emotions get the best of him.
Had he just had the gun ready and maybe even showed the gun but not pointed it at his head, you could justify that considering that may have been a good way to de-escalate the situation.

Can you unpermitted concealed car carry in Nevada?

Without seeing a lot more of the context, you have no idea if he had a legitimate reason to believe he was being threatened. You can't make that judgement from that little piece of video.

Pawpaw wrote:

maverick2076 wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:According to the report, there were over a dozen motorcyclists. This sounds eerily similar to the incident in New York a couple years ago where the bikers slashed an SUV's tires and ultimately dragged the driver out of his vehicle and badly beat him.

I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.

You mean after the driver of the SUV had run over one of the bikers and driven off? Big difference...

Way to half tell a story! Bravo!!!

The biker he ran over had slowed him down to a stop in the middle of the freeway (doesn't sound so bloodthirsty that way, though). Then the other bikers surrounded his SUV and were beating on it and trying to pull the doors open. Finally, in a panic, the guy hit the gas and ran over the biker who was dumb enough to still be in front of the SUV.

How many times has it been said on this forum that if you're in your vehicle when trouble develops, your right foot is your best defense?

Having said that and watched the other videos about the current incident, I believe this truck driver was wrong on every level and should not even own a firearm.

I believe they also slashed the SUV's tire before the driver attempted to escape with his family. It may be a big difference from this story, or it may not. But it does show that it is possible to be in mortal danger even though you are in a truck / SUV and your assailants are on motor cycles.

As for this story, given only the info presented by the motorcyclist, it appears that the bikers were the initial aggressors, they then escalated the situation, and it led to the guy in the pickup truck badly over reacting. We have yet to see what happened to initially spark the confrontation and all info is coming from one side here.

stroo wrote:Without seeing a lot more of the context, you have no idea if he had a legitimate reason to believe he was being threatened. You can't make that judgement from that little piece of video.

I disagree. His hands were clearly empty. That particular biker was not doing anything to warrant having a gun pointed at him at that moment.
Had his finger pressed that trigger by accident, it would have been a murder charge regardless of what the rest of the video showed up to that point. He was not an immediate threat.

Scott in Houston wrote:

stroo wrote:Without seeing a lot more of the context, you have no idea if he had a legitimate reason to believe he was being threatened. You can't make that judgement from that little piece of video.

I disagree. His hands were clearly empty. That particular biker was not doing anything to warrant having a gun pointed at him at that moment.
Had his finger pressed that trigger by accident, it would have been a murder charge regardless of what the rest of the video showed up to that point. He was not an immediate threat.

Do we know where the rest of the group was, and what they were doing?

Let's get the facts and then make a decision. A bit old fashioned, I know.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Scott in Houston wrote:

stroo wrote:Without seeing a lot more of the context, you have no idea if he had a legitimate reason to believe he was being threatened. You can't make that judgement from that little piece of video.

I disagree. His hands were clearly empty. That particular biker was not doing anything to warrant having a gun pointed at him at that moment.
Had his finger pressed that trigger by accident, it would have been a murder charge regardless of what the rest of the video showed up to that point. He was not an immediate threat.

Do we know where the rest of the group was, and what they were doing?

Let's get the facts and then make a decision. A bit old fashioned, I know.

Antiquated notion...

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

maverick2076 wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:According to the report, there were over a dozen motorcyclists. This sounds eerily similar to the incident in New York a couple years ago where the bikers slashed an SUV's tires and ultimately dragged the driver out of his vehicle and badly beat him.

I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.

You mean after the driver of the SUV had run over one of the bikers and driven off? Big difference...

Way to half tell a story! Bravo!!!

The biker he ran over had slowed him down to a stop in the middle of the freeway (doesn't sound so bloodthirsty that way, though). Then the other bikers surrounded his SUV and were beating on it and trying to pull the doors open. Finally, in a panic, the guy hit the gas and ran over the biker who was dumb enough to still be in front of the SUV.

How many times has it been said on this forum that if you're in your vehicle when trouble develops, your right foot is your best defense?

Having said that and watched the other videos about the current incident, I believe this truck driver was wrong on every level and should not even own a firearm.

I believe they also slashed the SUV's tire before the driver attempted to escape with his family. It may be a big difference from this story, or it may not. But it does show that it is possible to be in mortal danger even though you are in a truck / SUV and your assailants are on motor cycles.

As for this story, given only the info presented by the motorcyclist, it appears that the bikers were the initial aggressors, they then escalated the situation, and it led to the guy in the pickup truck badly over reacting. We have yet to see what happened to initially spark the confrontation and all info is coming from one side here.

Dave09 posted this longer video (still from the biker) back on page 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=y ... pp=desktop

Shortly after it starts, a link will pop up to this even longer video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hwsXz ... 2803926203

I can see no evidence of any editing. The bikers were engaging in a little horseplay. While that is probably illegal (traffic violation) I did not see them harass anyone or even really put anyone else at risk, including the Texas truck.

I wouldn't have wanted to be his passenger if he had fired.

Guy was just plain stupid and deserves to have his CHL revoked.

Redneck_Buddha wrote:Can you unpermitted concealed car carry in Nevada?

Yes and Texas LTC is not recognized so you're limited to car carry or open carry.