Mass murder at a Church kills 32

[mojo84]

Another source discussing how prevalent the problem is. Note how little we hear about it in the MSM.

www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecut ... atch-list/

[Charles L. Cotton]

Please folks stop playing political ping pong with this tragedy or any similar tragedy. Those killed are the victims and they are gone and we all will follow them.

Yes, it is a tragedy but I don't see that pointing out the media bias against Christians is playing politics. This happened in NZ, not the US, so why isn't the slaughter of Christians in Muslim countries equally newsworthy in the US?

Chas.

I am not sure why. However, those who control the media have the answers.

Exactly right. It's not Islam's fault that the media is openly hostile to Christians and Christianity, but that is the reality of the day.

Chas.

[PriestTheRunner]

This site provides an indication of just how under reported attacks on Christians are in the mainstream media. Very few of these have I seen anything about in the mainstream media. It seems it isn't politically correct to cover such vicious tragedies against Christians but it is when it is the other way around.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/chri ... tacks.aspx

I used this website because of the list of attacks. I have not verified it's credibility with regard to it's other content and my referencing the website does not indicate I endorse or agree with any of its other content.

FYI, the sum total of listed deaths and injuries on that page is 11,801 dead and 14,296 injured. I copied it into excel to get an overall idea of the scale. The vast majority of those listed appear to not be reported in any manner.

It equates to a 9/11 (2,996 lost) every 4 1/2 years... mostly unreported.

[mojo84]

This site provides an indication of just how under reported attacks on Christians are in the mainstream media. Very few of these have I seen anything about in the mainstream media. It seems it isn't politically correct to cover such vicious tragedies against Christians but it is when it is the other way around.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/chri ... tacks.aspx

I used this website because of the list of attacks. I have not verified it's credibility with regard to it's other content and my referencing the website does not indicate I endorse or agree with any of its other content.

FYI, the sum total of listed deaths and injuries on that page is 11,801 dead and 14,296 injured. I copied it into excel to get an overall idea of the scale. The vast majority of those listed appear to not be reported in any manner.

It equates to a 9/11 (2,996 lost) every 4 1/2 years... mostly unreported.

Thanks for sharing. It's scary how much the media can influence public perception. Not that dissimilar to state ran media in dictatorial socialist and communist countries . We are going to learn the hard way just how dangerous and destructive having one-sided biased media really is.

[NotRPB]

Re: Mass murder at a Church kills 32

Nigeria: Should Citizens Be Allowed to Own Guns?
https://allafrica.com/stories/201211040161.html

Nigeria Medical Association (NMA) added a new twist to the whole debate when it recently called the Federal Government to consider the relaxation of gun ownership laws as a way to reduce crime. In other words, he wanted more private citizens to have access to guns.

NMA President, Dr. Osahon Enabulele, ...argued that "in view of psychological fear factor among criminals or vandals, liberal gun ownership will curb criminality among hoodlums." The NMA's call for arms in private hands is premised on deterrence, that potential perpetrators are less likely to attack if they know their victims bear arms.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Please folks stop playing political ping pong with this tragedy or any similar tragedy. Those killed are the victims and they are gone and we all will follow them.

So much for not politicizing this attack.

Chas.

http://time.com/5553205/erdogan-new-zea ... g-footage/

[Beiruty]

Please folks stop playing political ping pong with this tragedy or any similar tragedy. Those killed are the victims and they are gone and we all will follow them.

So much for not politicizing this attack.

Chas.

http://time.com/5553205/erdogan-new-zea ... g-footage/

I agree, but the terrorist, Nazi, hateful killer, specifically signaled Turks and gave the President Ordogan an excuse to politicizing the incident.

[longtooth]

Please folks stop playing political ping pong with this tragedy or any similar tragedy. Those killed are the victims and they are gone and we all will follow them.

So much for not politicizing this attack.

Chas.

http://time.com/5553205/erdogan-new-zea ... g-footage/

I agree, but the terrorist, Nazi, hateful killer, specifically signaled Turks and gave the President Ordogan an excuse to politicizing the incident.

I know I am not very well educated. I confess I struggle understanding things that are complicated and others seem to do plenty fine with.
ie: politics, the Texas Legislature and all the committees. All I am smart enough to deal with is just the facts.
Fact: Any time someone claims to be a Christian and perpetrates violence against any race, religion, or person of no religion the true Christian community, servants of the only Living God, are quick to condemn the criminal actions.
Fact: Above and for ever and always in the past reference is to "terrorist, Nazi, hateful killer," ONLY. Never a direct reference to Islamic Terrorist.
Fact: I have never heard or seen any direct reference condemning the "Hate Crimes" against Christians by Islam on this forum or any other.
What say ye sir. Direct response concerning Islam Terrorist.

[Beiruty]

longtooth,

In my statement, I intentionally did not use the word "Christian", so as not implicate or associate the Christian Community with the heinous terrorist and hateful act. Muslims are not terrorized by death as they do love to die while serving God and in this incident they were worshiping God. The sorrow and pain is with their families.

I wished each time an Islamist (I intentionally use this term too, meaning claiming to be good Muslim) terrorist commit an act of mass murder or act of terrorism, the Muslims community is not associated by using terms as Muslim Terrorists, or Muslim Jihadists, or Islamic Terror or associate Islam with terror.

As for your inquiry, per Islamic tradition, it is forbidden to attack civilians, old people and all non-combatants at time of war. It is even not permissible to destroy property or burn vegetation and farms. If this is the rule, it is clearly evident that attacking innocent civilians by Islamist Terrorists is also forbidden too.

Note that Islamist Terrorists attack and kill more Muslims in terror attack than none Muslims. The ratio is more than 10:1. So, Muslims do suffer greatly too.

Condemnation of Islamist Terror by myself, and in my circle as well as in the Muslim community in general is clear and evident. Suspicion of that fact is the result of lack of coverage by US media. Why is that? Those who control the media have the answers.

[mojo84]

I believe those that claim to be Christian and commit heinous acts are NOT born again saved Christians. They only claim to be Christians and others seem to accept they are in fact Christians. A person can claim any religion they want but that does not mean they are committed devoted followers of the religion or it's word.

Unfortunately, when someone that claims to be another religion commits similar heinous acts, the people of that religion never, to my knowledge, disavows them as not being followers of the religion and makes a sincere effort to separate the terrorist from the religion. They only claim they are not "good or moderate" followers of the religion. There is a distinct difference and it's disturbing how this distinction is overlooked by many. If someone of the terrorist's claimed religion really wants to separate their religion from the terrorist, they would disavow the terrorist as not being a true believer and follower of the religion. Instead, they just claim he/she is not a "good" or "moderate" follower. This makes me believe the religion does call for such acts but some chose not to adhere to the doctrine of the faith and call that being "good" or "moderate".

[philip964]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/91 ... cHwf01Q_tc

The killing and destruction of Christian villages continue in Nigeria by the herdsmen.

[philip964]

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-10 ... s-11673584

100 murdered in Mali including pregnant women and children.

No sure who killed who. Could have been Christians killing Muslims in this case, or the other way around.

I understand why in medieval times people lived behind moats and walls.

Gun laws in Mali are considered restrictive.

[WTR]

Above seems to be more of a territorial dispute than a religious one.