Oklahoma lieutenant indicted for stopping active shooter

[cirus]

Good thing the guys who took out Bonnie and Clyde weren't on the job. They pumped about 150 rounds into their car. Like most people now a days the DA is just out for himself. Morality and common sense never came into play.

[cirus]

Like most people now a days the DA is just out for himself. Morality and common sense never came into play.

Impeach the DA? *shrug*

Sure

[ELB]

Some updates:

Jan 2020: Dash cam videos released. Here's one report on them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Ugg_BW7Go


Feb 2020: Blackwell police officer ordered to face trial over fatal shooting

[Paladin]

Based on what I've read, I'm voting NOT guilty.

[strogg]

I'm with Paladin. I'm trying to find anything remotely close to murder or manslaughter, and I just can't find it. I can *maybe* see an endangering the public charge sticking if the prosecution is good, but that's not a charge. I'm curious why this case has gone in the direction it has so far. I'm positive there is something not being told here that helps wrap things up a bit neater.

[cirus]

Ive pretty much gave up on the human race. This case just enforces my belief. Ive decided that unless its my or my loved ones life that's in danger you're on your own. Bring your own artillery and use it.

[03Lightningrocks]

Ive pretty much gave up on the human race. This case just enforces my belief. Ive decided that unless its my or my loved ones life that's in danger you're on your own. Bring your own artillery and use it.

It sounds crappy but the way the world is these days, trying to help or save someone being assaulted can come with some real dire consequences. I can understand why people don't intervene in these situations. My problem is that I am stupid that way. If I see a woman or child being assaulted, I can't help but jump in. My brain does not work any other way.

The big difference is that I am not a cop. Cops are required to intervene. It is what makes being a cop so darned dangerous.

[Flightmare]

The big difference is that I am not a cop. Cops are required to intervene. It is what makes being a cop so darned dangerous.

While the vast majority of police are indeed wired to protect/defend, you may want to lookup Warren v. District of Columbia.

One needs only to look at what happened at Parkland, FL to see that not every single officer will run towards gun fire. When I went thru the citizen's police academy in my town, the SWAT officers who spoke to us mentioned that they would not wait for permission. They would have been heading towards the school to do what they could.

[03Lightningrocks]

The big difference is that I am not a cop. Cops are required to intervene. It is what makes being a cop so darned dangerous.

While the vast majority of police are indeed wired to protect/defend, you may want to lookup Warren v. District of Columbia.

One needs only to look at what happened at Parkland, FL to see that not every single officer will run towards gun fire. When I went thru the citizen's police academy in my town, the SWAT officers who spoke to us mentioned that they would not wait for permission. They would have been heading towards the school to do what they could.

Oh yeah. I know not all police officers are wired to actually intervene. Maybe I should have said they are expected to and as a civilian, I am not.Haha... that might give me an edge on the bad guy. I can catch them off guard.

[srothstein]

While the vast majority of police are indeed wired to protect/defend, you may want to lookup Warren v. District of Columbia.

Warren is an interesting case and is, IMO, correctly decided. Without it, the city or county government could be legally liable to pay out for every crime that happens for failure to provide adequate police services.

The good news is most cops feel duty bound to intervene in crimes and help people. And Texas does make them legally responsible to act in certain cases. Article 2.13 of the Code of Criminal Procedure says officers will intervene to suppress crime.

This makes Warren irrelevant as long as your stay in state court and show that the officer knew the crime was taking place in his presence or view.

[Paladin]

Some updates:

Jan 2020: Dash cam videos released. Here's one report on them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Ugg_BW7Go


Feb 2020: Blackwell police officer ordered to face trial over fatal shooting

Reviewing the video...With the situation of vehicle borne mass attacker, who had already shot at both law enforcement and citizens, I thought the LT did a good job using fire to advance on the vehicle... and transitioning to his pistol after his rifle was empty... If you are going to stop a vehicle borne mass attacker... that's how you do it. Letting the attacker drive off (again) to hurt more people is a non-option. To me necessity is clearly met. Perhaps there needs to be an update to the law for such situations?

[mrvmax]

When I was a kid all I ever wanted to be was a Police Officer. It never worked out so I never was one but if I had the chance now I’d never do it. Who wants to be in a profession where you can be imprisoned for doing your job? I see the day coming when the Police will be afraid to do anything for fear of the repercussions.

[carlson1]

... I see the day coming when the Police will be afraid to do anything for fear of the repercussions.

They already are. I was one now I am not, but my youngest is detective in East Texas. My brother spent 30 plus years as a Game Warden and retired as a Major. He is now Chief Deputy in East Texas. I worry about them both.

[baseballguy2001]

Watch the video. After firing multiple rounds at a fleeing suspect, quite possibly endangering others, that LT. and his men catch up to the wounded, if not already expired, suspect in her small truck. He tells his men, at the side of the road, not to talk about this shooting, even amongst themselves for several "sleep cycles". That. to me, sounds dangerously like a conspiracy charge is warranted, as well as maybe obstruction. The LT. specifically cites the Oklahoma investigative authority, not to talk to them. If it were me, I would indict him and have a jury decide if his actions, including the shooting, were illegal.