Gun fires without being touched

[Sailor]

Here's another peer-reviewed journal article that showed that some guns can be made to fire when brought near the magnets in an MRI.

http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/reprint/193/3/875

In part, the article stated the following results:

"In tests of cocked guns, the Glock, Star, Smith and Wesson, and North American Arms handguns did not discharge when removed from the magnet bore barrel-first while fully cocked. The Taurus handgun did fire, however, in two of six repeated tests, and the Browning handgun fired in six of six such repeated maneuvers. The trigger of the Browning handgun was repeatedly seen to begin to be “depressed,� or pulled, toward the firing position when the gun was more than 2 feet away from the bore opening. In each case, the cause of firing was not hammer motion but was ferromagnetic attraction of the imaging system on the trigger itself."

I don't see a Series '80 Colt in that test....AGAIN; please explain to me how the gun fired, by its inanimate self, with the thumb safety engaged? It blocks the sear and will keep the slide from cycling. How did the hammer drop with the sear blocked from moving by the thumb safety? The sear has to move before the hammer can fall. Not to mention the firing pin block keeping the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. Not to mention the grip safety which keeps the trigger from being pulled unless the gun is being...gripped. And last but not least if the thumb safety is/was engaged how did the hammer recock itself?????? Is it implied that the firing pin safety was pulled up when the gun hit the machine and the inertia then sent the firing pin forward which fired the round or something similar??? Or maybe magnetism just did it all. Please duplicate said AD and I'll believe it.

Cody

[KBCraig]

AGAIN; please explain to me how the gun fired, by its inanimate self, with the thumb safety engaged?

Read the original article. It's clearly and plausibly explained.

[frankie_the_yankee]

How did the hammer drop with the sear blocked from moving by the thumb safety? The sear has to move before the hammer can fall. .....

Re-read the article. It's clear that the hammer didn't drop, nor did the sear or grip safety disengage.

The magnet pulled the Series 80 firing pin block out of engagement and the gun fired when the firing pin was driven forward by inertia when the gun came to sudden stop against the wal of the chamber.

The slide couldn't cycle because the thumb safety remained engaged. Since the slide didn't cycle, the empty case stayed in the chamber, where it was found when everything was sorted out.

[hoss4570]

I still can't believe some of yall are buying this. You remind me of the old folks, "I know it's true 'cause I READ it." I got some ocean front property in New Mexico I want to sell you...................

[KBCraig]

Fine, Hoss. Why don't you tell us your theory of how it fired, while holstered, and left the spent brass in the chamber because it didn't cycle.

Be sure to submit your findings to the American Journal of Roentgenology, too.

[atxgun]

Fine, Hoss. Why don't you tell us your theory of how it fired, while holstered, and left the spent brass in the chamber because it didn't cycle.

Be sure to submit your findings to the American Journal of Roentgenology, too.

It's not like this report was on some anonymous blog. It came from a credible source which I am inclined to believe. True, guns don't go off by themselves but in this case it went off in the presence of an MRI machine and I think the scenario described is plausible.

[hoss4570]

Fine, Hoss. Why don't you tell us your theory of how it fired, while holstered, and left the spent brass in the chamber because it didn't cycle.

Be sure to submit your findings to the American Journal of Roentgenology, too.

Ok, my theory is it was an accidental discharge and somebody's trying to cover their butt.

[KBCraig]

Fine, Hoss. Why don't you tell us your theory of how it fired, while holstered, and left the spent brass in the chamber because it didn't cycle.

Be sure to submit your findings to the American Journal of Roentgenology, too.

Ok, my theory is it was an accidental discharge and somebody's trying to cover their butt.

Here's what had to happen for your theory to be true:
1. A retired detective, who has spent decades carrying a gun, has an AD.
2. With a holstered 1991A1.
3. That AD went through the tunnel of the MRI without hitting anything -- quite a feat from across the room, unless it was exactly on axis.
4. In full view of the attending technicians (and everyone else who responded to the shot being fired), the detective cleared the pistol, found and recovered the empty case, loaded it back into the chamber, loaded round #2 back into the magazine, inserted the magazine, re-holstered the gun in Condition One (except with an empty case in the chamber), and only then tossed the holstered pistol into the MRI tunnel.
5. He tossed it so that it precisely lined up with the shot that had been fired.
6. All of this in the immediate presence of a magnetic field that would rip a pistol out of your hand with hundreds of pounds of force.
7. He did all this to concoct an explanation that no one would believe if not for a published, peer-reviewed scientific analysis (and even then there are skeptics).
8. He committed a felony by falsifying the entire incident, rather than just reporting the AD (which wouldn't have been a crime at all).
9. Everyone else involved committed felonies by joining him in this lie.
10. This hastily conceived cover-up just happened to perfectly match the only plausible scientific explanation.

Like Mark Lowry says, "I can't be an atheist... I don't have enough faith to believe that all this just happened by accident!"

[Odin]

Yep, somebody needs to loosen their tinfoil helmet.

I'm pretty sure that if the story is made up that bigfoot, Elvis and JFK's true assassin were all involved somehow. Of course they escaped in a black helicopter before anyone saw them.

[DoubleJ]

I still can't believe some of yall are buying this.

it's called science. they teach it in school.
believe, don't believe, whatever. However, trying to belittle others for accepting the (at least) possiblity that something backed by PROVABLE facts is against the policies of this forum.






the "big words" are posted with dictionary.com links to save some people some time...

[hoss4570]

Man, I hope yall don't have teenagers, if yall are this guliable yall are in for big surprises. ("But REALLY Dad, the car wrecked IT'S SELF!!!!!!! HONEST!!!!!!!) Cause, you KNOW that little Johnny would'nt lie to you.....................

[hoss4570]

I still can't believe some of yall are buying this.

it's called science. they teach it in school.
believe, don't believe, whatever. However, trying to belittle others for accepting the (at least) possiblity that something backed by PROVABLE facts is against the policies of this forum.






the "big words" are posted with dictionary.com links to save some people some time...

I assume you are talking to me, so WHO did I BELITTLE??????

[hoss4570]

the "big words" are posted with dictionary.com links to save some people some time...

And if this is an attempt to belittle me, or to make me mad, or to make you look smarter, it did'nt work. I find it amusing.................

[Mike1951]

Do NOT let this turn ugly!!

Some believe it could have happened as described and some never will.

No one is going to be persuaded that hasn't already been.

[hoss4570]

I just find it amusing that they, the "believers", get so mad at me because I cannot believe that THEY believe this bull. Thats all.