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howdy wrote:Little off subject: frreed: This is a GREAT production of Phantom. Park behind the Hobby Center. Get there early, (5:30 should have most of the worker crowd out) and go to one of the several good cafes close by. I have not seen a 30.06 or 51% sign at any of them. You walk right past the garage on the way back to the Center. Just return your handgun to your car and walk the short distance to the play. I feel safe there....lots of Police standing around.
Thanks for the info howdy! It should come in handy when the gf and I make time to go see it this summer.
Totally Frustrated wrote:Next time I'll dump the mags in my pocket, and let the officers zip tie the gun. at least i'd have it with me if things go down.
Totally Frustrated that is a great idea, I do it everytime I attend a gun show. I posted about my first experience at GRB about how easy it was. When you walk in with your gun empty and have it zip tied, the officer should ask if you have any ammo with you and give you a small cup to put your mags/ammo in and a ticket to pick it up on your way out. Very easy and officer acted like it was standard procedure (I did see about four other cups with ammo in them on the floor next to him :thumbs2: ).
howdy wrote:Totally frustrated said he would just dump the magazines and let them zip tie his handgun just in case something went down. So you are going to unload in your car, carry an empty gun to the gun show, carry an empty gun around the show and then carry an empty gun back to your car. When do you expect to have to use your gun, in the show? I suggest in this situation, you find the safest place to hide to avoid the slaughter. Once the first shot is fired, no one will know good guy from bad guy and everyone holding a gun will be a target.
Typical anti thoughts/reasoning that is not needed by anyone who carries. Why should one have to explain to anyone why they want to carry somwhere (where lawful) that doesn't meet YOUR reasons for a need to carry? IMO a neccessity to carry defined by someone else does not need to be present for a person to be allowed to carry, only the desire by the chl'r. Depending on where you park, as soon as you step off of GRB grounds you're in the ghetto. I don't think anyone is worried about something happening INSIDE the gun show, but OUTSIDE on your walk back to your car, possibly with $1000 worth of newly purchased guns/ammo/accessories that would be an easy target for some thug. It's not like the gun shows aren't advertised throughout the entire city of houston or anything, so everyone knows, and thugs can plan accordingly. I see nothing wrong with anyone wanting to carry anywhere that is legal, they need not a reason as in the corrupt "may issue" states, only the desire. :txflag:
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OK, you walk out of the George R Brown Convention Center with your gun zip tied, bullets/mags in a cup, and I agree, you are rapidly approaching the one area that I would for sure be armed. How do you accomplish the reload of your magazines, and reload of your handgun while keeping it concealed? You have to be completely out of the GRB to be out of the 30.06 marked area. You can't just go in a bathroom stall and do it. This is the entire point of the post. It seemed to me that Totally Frustrated wanted his handgun with him in case he needed it at the show. Maybe I read too much into his/her post. There is no place around GRB to hide to reload prior to getting to most parking lots. I might not want to leave my handgun in my glove box to get stolen, and carry it in for that reason, but please tell me how you would reload after going outside.

I think we have gotten way off the Hobby Center question. My fault. Good discussion though. This is fun and informative. We can see how people can agree to disagree and still be civil.
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howdy wrote:OK, you walk out of the George R Brown Convention Center with your gun zip tied, bullets/mags in a cup, and I agree, you are rapidly approaching the one area that I would for sure be armed. How do you accomplish the reload of your magazines, and reload of your handgun while keeping it concealed? You have to be completely out of the GRB to be out of the 30.06 marked area. You can't just go in a bathroom stall and do it. This is the entire point of the post. It seemed to me that Totally Frustrated wanted his handgun with him in case he needed it at the show. Maybe I read too much into his/her post. There is no place around GRB to hide to reload prior to getting to most parking lots. I might not want to leave my handgun in my glove box to get stolen, and carry it in for that reason, but please tell me how you would reload after going outside.

I think we have gotten way off the Hobby Center question. My fault. Good discussion though. This is fun and informative. We can see how people can agree to disagree and still be civil.

As far as I know there is no law against carrying ammunition in the open or reloading a magazine in the open. I can stand outside the front door of the GRB at high noon and refill a magazine, and as long as the weapon remains concealed, say inside a duffle bag, I can insert a magazine and charge the weapon right there as well.
Other posters are correct in the fact that I don't like the idea of bad guys knowing that people coming out of there, possibly with hundreds of dollars in purchases, aren't able to carry. I just find it obsurd that I couldn't carry in the show with a CHL, but could walk around in the show with a weapon and anmo I purchased in the show.
kinda like a CHL having to report a weapon in a vehicle when a non CHL doesn't have to.
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I have a question that is sort of related to this and the Jared thread.

If someone feels that there trip to the car with purchases is too risky because of the value/desirability of the goods, can they insist that the 'armed Pinkerton' in the store escort them to their vehicle?

If they assume responsibilty for my protection in the store, then surely they should defend me all the way to my vehicle until I arm myself again?

I would think we could all insist that they did and see how that went. Make it awkward for them as much as possible within the law. :evil2:
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howdy wrote: Avoid the grey zones and keep yourself out of trouble.
As a former Marine officer, you should know that it costs something to defend a right we already own. And that cost has to be paid over and over and over again.

-- HM2 USNR (who spent 100% of his sea duty humping w/ the jarheads).

Why would they get convicted if they should win. Obviously other lawyers (DA, trial Judge ) and jury would have to disagree with your interpretation of section (e) to get convicted. You might win on appeal, but you might end up with a class A, jail time, lose your job.....I again would find it totally irresponsible for a CHL instructor to tell his students to do something that might get them arrested and put in jail..... Stay out of the grey.
I'm going to give you a real-life example of just exactly why that happens, and why we DO need people who are willing to "go into the grey".

I'm a homeschool dad. It has not been that long ago that, despite the common feeling about the matter, homeschooling was considered to be illegal by many a school district and local prosecutors. People that homeschooled did so at the risk of being arrested and put into jail. I am friends with many of those who in fact DID get arrested and spent time in jail (while their families fled the state for the weekend to avoid having the children confiscated by CPS).

All that changed when 1 person went so far into the grey that they were convicted. The appellate court, in the case of Leeper vs Arlington ISD, issued the landmark decision that settled the issue. Now, homeschoolers simply tell local ISDs to buzz-off. :coolgleamA:


In conclusion - no attorney is telling someone that they SHOULD go into the grey. In fact, they (Charles Cotton) are pretty adamant about what the consequences might be. But the reality of it is, until SOMEONE is willing to be that sacrificial lamb - we all stand to loose via local bureaucracy what we earned in the legislature.
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I've been reading this topic because I'm going to the Hobby Center tonight for a performance. However, since the last post is a year old, I just wanted to see if anyone has anything new to report about the 30.06 signs.

It seems from the posts a year ago that the Hobby Center is owned by the City of Houston and the signs are invalid. I obviously would like to carry, but REALLY don't want any hassles or problems. Anyone gone there lately and carried?
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As far as I know, you will be technically legal carrying there but, like they say, it will be you who take the ride if "caught"
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It sounds like the solution is to obey the law, but don't get caught obeying the law.

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The wife and I went to the Hobby Center Friday night (10/29/10) for a show and the 30.06 sign is still posted.
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Anybody consider carrying a revolver and a pair of nail clippers (to cut zip tie) ? Then buy some ammo at the show, or have some in your bag or whatever, then go in the stall at the bathroom and load up. I doubt they search you when you leave the show to see if you're still zip tied. I'm not advocating breaking the law, because what I have described is not against the law.

I'm kind of tired of cities ignoring the law and getting away with it... :banghead:
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ScottDLS wrote:Anybody consider carrying a revolver and a pair of nail clippers (to cut zip tie) ? Then buy some ammo at the show, or have some in your bag or whatever, then go in the stall at the bathroom and load up. I doubt they search you when you leave the show to see if you're still zip tied. I'm not advocating breaking the law, because what I have described is not against the law.

I'm kind of tired of cities ignoring the law and getting away with it... :banghead:
The hobby center is a performance theater. There are no gun shows here. ;-)
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terryg wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:Anybody consider carrying a revolver and a pair of nail clippers (to cut zip tie) ? Then buy some ammo at the show, or have some in your bag or whatever, then go in the stall at the bathroom and load up. I doubt they search you when you leave the show to see if you're still zip tied. I'm not advocating breaking the law, because what I have described is not against the law.

I'm kind of tired of cities ignoring the law and getting away with it... :banghead:
The hobby center is a performance theater. There are no gun shows here. ;-)
Sorry...got hung up on the discussions on GRB in the same thread.
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ScottDLS wrote:
terryg wrote:The hobby center is a performance theater. There are no gun shows here. ;-)
Sorry...got hung up on the discussions on GRB in the same thread.
Oh, your right. The thread did drift - but then got back on target. You should have quoted the relevant portion to keep us nit-pickers at bay. ;-)
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