Austin Gun Show Troubles?

[03Lightningrocks]

Some of you are expressing surprise at Austin making a move like this. From what I have been told, Austin is the most libtard city in our state. I have been there a few times and I observed a heavy concentration of the libtard species. There has been a very heavy influx of kalifornians into Austin over the past few years. They have infiltrated and brought the kalifornia style of politics to the city. This kind of thing does not surprise me in the least. I fully expect Austin to institute a no guns allowed in the city limits law in the foreseeable future.

[Bonc_CHL]

So what do we do keep going and supporting this gun show (if thats what you want to call it) or do we just stop and let it go away.

I for sure would like a show out here in WilCO, but know them they would have some nice bull rules real fast.

[Liberty]

Try the whole state of Texas. You currently reside in the NEW Cali. You just can't see the forest for the trees. Texas is turning a little more blue and a lot less red as time marches on. Granted in the last election Texas was red overall, the big urban cities are getting bluer. Out in the sticks its red, but as the cities grow and old timers in the woods die off, Texas will be blue.

I don't know. I have seen Texas Shift from a Democrat controlled state to a Republican Controlled state. Hard to see us ever going back to the likes of Ann Richards.

[Purplehood]

It's not the gun show promoter's doing. Staying away will help Austin PD accomplish its goal of ridding Austin of gun shows.

If private sales are not welcome then I'm not going. I don't care why.

This is precisely the point.

The property owner has established rules that contravene one of the great reasons for gun shows, so "vote with your wallet", and let the people that are selling there that you won't continue doing business with them if they support these draconian (and pointless) policies.

I respect your opinion, Charles, but whether this supports APDs political agenda, IMHO, isn't relevant. APD isn't solving anything by forcing this issue, but fighting back or attempting to reason with the APD police chief seems like spitting in the wind. Sure, you could fight it, but in the end, this is a private owner that's setting the policy (honestly, for all we know, they may be using the APD and BATFE as scapegoats as cover for their own anti-gun agenda)

Frankly, our collective effort should go into finding a new venue, perhaps in WIlliamson Co., because lets all be honest here, the Crockett Center is an awful place for gun shows anyway.

And then the gun-banners will have purged yet another locality of the evil scourge of gun-sales... Yes, let us retreat even more!

[A-R]

Apparently the Alex Jones show has picked up on this story.

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[03Lightningrocks]

Some of you are expressing surprise at Austin making a move like this. From what I have been told, Austin is the most libtard city in our state. I have been there a few times and I observed a heavy concentration of the libtard species. There has been a very heavy influx of kalifornians into Austin over the past few years. They have infiltrated and brought the kalifornia style of politics to the city. This kind of thing does not surprise me in the least. I fully expect Austin to institute a no guns allowed in the city limits law in the foreseeable future.

Try the whole state of Texas. You currently reside in the NEW Cali. You just can't see the forest for the trees. Texas is turning a little more blue and a lot less red as time marches on. Granted in the last election Texas was red overall, the big urban cities are getting bluer. Out in the sticks its red, but as the cities grow and old timers in the woods die off, Texas will be blue.



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I think it depends on the area. For instance, Collin County, where I live, they are died in the wool conservatives. I don't see our area becoming libtard any time soon. Most folks here appreciate what it takes to work and earn a living. Keeping our freedom means far to much to successful people to allow the libtards to strip away all our rights.

[bpet]

If the Obama president holds and union members are exempted from the health care tax, I see no problem with taking the next logical step in Texas and exempting conservatives from the soon to be enacted "Blue" tax. Could help slow down the influx of liberals to our fine state.

Would be interesting to see this attempted and listen to the cries of "FOUL" from the same people who think its just fine to give unions special treatment under federal taxing authority.

[O6nop]

Some of you are expressing surprise at Austin making a move like this. From what I have been told, Austin is the most libtard city in our state. I have been there a few times and I observed a heavy concentration of the libtard species. There has been a very heavy influx of kalifornians into Austin over the past few years. They have infiltrated and brought the kalifornia style of politics to the city. This kind of thing does not surprise me in the least. I fully expect Austin to institute a no guns allowed in the city limits law in the foreseeable future.

Try the whole state of Texas. You currently reside in the NEW Cali. You just can't see the forest for the trees. Texas is turning a little more blue and a lot less red as time marches on. Granted in the last election Texas was red overall, the big urban cities are getting bluer. Out in the sticks its red, but as the cities grow and old timers in the woods die off, Texas will be blue.



http://mypoliticscampaignblog.files.wor ... =450&h=386" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think it depends on the area. For instance, Collin County, where I live, they are died in the wool conservatives. I don't see our area becoming libtard any time soon. Most folks here appreciate what it takes to work and earn a living. Keeping our freedom means far to much to successful people to allow the libtards to strip away all our rights.

Let's not be too complacent with what's happening in someone else's back yard. Allowing a place like Austin to fall to Liberal dominance is ultimately going to affect the next area. How long will you be secure if you close your eyes to what's happening here because it's not happening in your town. If you get an infection in your little toe, don't you think it will affect other parts of your body as well? You'll be surprised how fast this will sweep into Central and North Texas. What was that word... infiltrate ?
And calling them names does nothing to turn them away.

[jmra]

If it turns out that the building owner (I believe someone said HEB) is the bg here I think that the focus should be on them. I wonder what the impact on HEB would be if gun owners took all of their business elsewhere. I know HEB has gotten a lot of our money. That could change real quick.

BTW, just told my wife about this and her comment was "if HEB is behind it, or didn't have the nerve to fight it, they won't be getting anymore of my money".

[GeoJAP]

Darwin Boedeker, owner and promoter of Texas Gun Shows (http://texasgunshows.net/default.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), went on the radio today for more than 2 hours to tell his side of the story about what happened. I'm pasting the show in YouTube segments below.

The APD called Darwin and the HEB representative to have a 2 hour meeting last Thursday. The building on Lamar Blvd is owned by Wal-Mart and the primary lease holder is HEB. There were several APD detectives and an ATF agent there. They told Darwin that they would like for him to follow their suggestions, which were to ban firearms sales except through FFLs. The police then told Darwin that there were ongoing investigations into his business for activity over the last 10 years of allegedly allowing sales to ineligible buyers. Darwin responded by asking them if they were aware that his company, Texas Gun Shows, is different than Saxet Gun Shows, which is who they were talking about. APD didn't even realize this and were confused for a bit. Then APD put pressure on the HEB representative, and together the APD, ATF and HEB representative told Darwin that he would not be allowed to open the show if he did not follow their recommendations, which were to create the flyer you've seen and ban sales that didn't accompany an NICS check. Two of his biggest vendors canceled and he expects attendance to be down by over 50% next month.

This guy needs our support. He is a 2nd Amendment supporter and is running a family business. The ATF and APD are basically destroying his business with their unlawful "suggestions". APD has no statutory authority for what they are doing to this man. They are literally running him out of town by destroying his business and livelihood. Nothing that he is doing is illegal. He said that he will not be able to stay in business if this continues. We need to go to the next show February 20/21 and not let them kill the Austin gun show.

The police also made a big show to intimidate people at the gun show. A vendor was placed in handcuffs by APD and lead through the crowd for everyone to see. He was taken outside but was released and not arrested.

Interview on Alex Jones radio show (say what you want about Alex, but he's a die-hard 2nd Amendment supporter):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc-gFyPV3Dw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMc4kptEOvQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciBeIf6piNY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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[Oldgringo]

Some of you are expressing surprise at Austin making a move like this. From what I have been told, Austin is the most libtard city in our state. I have been there a few times and I observed a heavy concentration of the libtard species. There has been a very heavy influx of kalifornians into Austin over the past few years. They have infiltrated and brought the kalifornia style of politics to the city. This kind of thing does not surprise me in the least. I fully expect Austin to institute a no guns allowed in the city limits law in the foreseeable future.

Try the whole state of Texas. You currently reside in the NEW Cali. You just can't see the forest for the trees. Texas is turning a little more blue and a lot less red as time marches on. Granted in the last election Texas was red overall, the big urban cities are getting bluer. Out in the sticks its red, but as the cities grow and old timers in the woods die off, Texas will be blue.



http://mypoliticscampaignblog.files.wor ... =450&h=386" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think it depends on the area. For instance, Collin County, where I live, they are died in the wool conservatives. I don't see our area becoming libtard any time soon. Most folks here appreciate what it takes to work and earn a living. Keeping our freedom means far to much to successful people to allow the libtards to strip away all our rights.

Let's not be too complacent with what's happening in someone else's back yard. Allowing a place like Austin to fall to Liberal dominance is ultimately going to affect the next area. How long will you be secure if you close your eyes to what's happening here because it's not happening in your town. If you get an infection in your little toe, don't you think it will affect other parts of your body as well? You'll be surprised how fast this will sweep into Central and North Texas. What was that word... infiltrate ?
And calling them names does nothing to turn them away.

Ah Ha! The old domino theory resurfaces. Anybody here remember that little piece of political strategy? I'm just rememberin'...er, say 1963 and a little SE Asian resort area replete with beaches, mountains and rivers.

Back on point, as I read Larry McMurtry's "Commanche Moon", the good people of Austin didn't believe the Commanches would come visit in the 1850's either.

[jmra]

Sure would like to see a statement/response from HEB. I have never stood in front of a store with a protest sign before but I sure would be game this time.

[03Lightningrocks]

I guess you would just have to visit here to understand. I grew up here and this area has been conservative as long as I can remember. The dynamics of what it takes to make a libtard a libtard, just don't exist here. Even when our spoiled children go off to college and become temporary libtards, they change their minds about equal distribution of wealth, just a few years after they get their first real job...LOL.

[jmra]

Darwin Boedeker, owner and promoter of Texas Gun Shows (http://texasgunshows.net/default.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), went on the radio today for more than 2 hours to tell his side of the story about what happened. I'm pasting the show in YouTube segments below.

The APD called Darwin and the HEB representative to have a 2 hour meeting last Thursday. The building on Lamar Blvd is owned by Wal-Mart and the primary lease holder is HEB. There were several APD detectives and an ATF agent there. They told Darwin that they would like for him to follow their suggestions, which were to ban firearms sales except through FFLs. The police then told Darwin that there were ongoing investigations into his business for activity over the last 10 years of allegedly allowing sales to ineligible buyers. Darwin responded by asking them if they were aware that his company, Texas Gun Shows, is different than Saxet Gun Shows, which is who they were talking about. APD didn't even realize this and were confused for a bit. Then APD put pressure on the HEB representative, and together the APD, ATF and HEB representative told Darwin that he would not be allowed to open the show if he did not follow their recommendations, which were to create the flyer you've seen and ban sales that didn't accompany an NICS check. Two of his biggest vendors canceled and he expects attendance to be down by over 50% next month.

This guy needs our support. He is a 2nd Amendment supporter and is running a family business. The ATF and APD are basically destroying his business with their unlawful "suggestions". APD has no statutory authority for what they are doing to this man. They are literally running him out of town by destroying his business and livelihood. Nothing that he is doing is illegal. He said that he will not be able to stay in business if this continues. We need to go to the next show February 20/21 and not let them kill the Austin gun show.

The police also made a big show to intimidate people at the gun show. A vendor was placed in handcuffs by APD and lead through the crowd for everyone to see. He was taken outside but was released and not arrested.

Interview on Alex Jones radio show (say what you want about Alex, but he's a die-hard 2nd Amendment supporter):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc-gFyPV3Dw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMc4kptEOvQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9lulja1tTs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byqYad3NlPw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Probably the best way to help save this guys business is to help him find another location in Austin. Of course it would have to be a Landlord that has the internal fortitude to stand up to APD. I just don't see how a gun show in Texas makes it with a ban on private sales regardless of how supportive we want to be. The only other option I see is a lot of pressure on HEB. Protest signs in front of HEBs accross TX stating "HEB does not support your 2nd ammendment rights" might get the Butt's attention.

[davidtx]

This guy needs our support. He is a 2nd Amendment supporter and is running a family business. The ATF and APD are basically destroying his business with their unlawful "suggestions". APD has no statutory authority for what they are doing to this man. They are literally running him out of town by destroying his business and livelihood. Nothing that he is doing is illegal. He said that he will not be able to stay in business if this continues. We need to go to the next show February 20/21 and not let them kill the Austin gun show.

I'll be there.

-davidtx